Bengals Land Safety, Running Back In SB Nation's Latest Mock Draft
by Jason Garrison on Jan 9, 2012 5:00 PM EST
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PrintI know, I know... the season's not even over yet and mock drafts are being pumped out like the actual draft is taking place in a week. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you could find a mock draft for 2013 if you really looked for it. The fact is, when the regular season ended and the first 20 teams' draft orders were set, the mock drafts started to come out of the woodwork.
Now the Bengals first round is set. They have the No. 17 pick and the No. 21 pick in the first round of the 2011 NFL draft and we can start to predict what will happen in the draft up to and beyond their two picks. SB Nation's Ryan Van Bibber has come out with a new mock draft that you may like. It has the Bengals filling two major needs in the first round.
Of course the colts drafted Andrew Luck with the first pick and you may be interested to know that in this mock draft, the Cleveland Browns selected Heisman Trophy winner Robbert Griffin III out of Baylor with the No. 4 pick. Then we can skip down to the Bengals, who with the No. 17 overall pick (from Oakland), selected safety Mark Barron out of Alabama.
The Bengals need help in their secondary. Barron makes more sense for them than a cornerback at this point. Barron gives the Bengals a rangy safety that likes to hit and does a great job of it.
There's no question that the Bengals need help in their secondary and that they should use one of their first-round picks to shore up the team's pass defense, however, I do question the pick of safety over cornerback. It can be debated either way, especially with the game that Chris Crocker had in Houston. What do you think?
On to the next pick (which I think most of you will love). With the No. 21 pick in the first round of the 2011 pick, according to SB Nation's latest mock draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select Alabama running back Trent Richardson.
RIchardson probably won't fall this far in the draft. But if he does, the Bengals win. Cedric Benson is a free agent, and is hardly worth the money he would likely demand. Richardson is a talented player who plays like Steven Jackson.
Trust me, I would love it if the Bengals landed Richardson because he seems to be the kind of running back that the Bengals could build a running game around, however, I don't see a way that Richardson falls to No. 21. If he does, I hope the Bengals jump all over him, though. It's more likely that if the Bengals were to get Richardson, it would be with the No. 17 pick but I don't even think he'll fall that far.
The Bengals need a new running back but unless their willing to trade up for Richardson, they'll likely have to settle for Lamar Miller, Chris Polk or Montee Ball. But again, I want to know what you think. Do you like this draft and do you think it's possible that the draft will play out this way?
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No complaints between those two.......
this is an extremely deep draft at CB and very week at S. We can get multiple CB’s in 2nd and beyond……..
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
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by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 9, 2012 5:05 PM EST reply actions
this is almost best case scenerio draft
Gilmore, hosley, or some other corner in the 2nd. And a guard in the 3rd, and I’d be extremely happy. Throw a free agent guard in too and I might just vote mike brown for president of the USA.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 5:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
o line
We need gaurd and c help bad. I know about the first round names. Anyone know what will be there for our 2 second round picks.
by Jog73 on Jan 9, 2012 5:10 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
rookie ol probly wont have a hugh impact
pick up a few in Free Agency.
by Bengalsfan024 on Jan 9, 2012 5:12 PM EST up reply actions
not drafting a center
Just extended cook for 4 years. I like the kid from pitt in the 3rd Nicks I think. Or osemele, konz, cordy Glenn could be around in 2. Don’t really see 4 interior lineman going in the first round.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 5:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i can see any of them going
Just not all 4, so one could very easily be around for us in the second.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 5:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Konz, Zeitler.......either would fit right in on our line any day of the week.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Jan 9, 2012 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
+1
and more of a need than Barron, safety is not gonna be a problem, imo, we have Nelson, unless we flun that up, Crocker,Mays,Sands and Miles, plus I THINK Wilson is still a Bengal, but am not sure
Sorry ussually agree with u
But we have to address SS imediately
not really
Mays or sands could be impressing coaches. Not likley and would prefer to address it now though. And if someone higher than Barron is there we don’t pass them for him.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 10:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
um if we get both of those players
and someone complains?
heres hoping we fix the OL in Free Agency.
Posey in the 4th ive seen….
So
Barron
richardson
OG
Best CB available. (3rd 1)
Derek wolfe DT (JJone comp)
Dever Posey
The past two drafts we have filled a need
with picking the #1 overall player at that position in the draft.
It happens again at #17 when we draft Mark Barron, unless Richardson is there then I think we pick him. Either one fills a need with a #1 overall player of that position.
If this variation happens above we then could take a guard in the 2nd, CB in the 3rd, and DL in the 4th. That would be another outstanding draft.
true mock draft
ain’t going to happen. Running backs tend to fall anymore and who knows Richardson might. If he was available I’d take him. But if they don’t replace their two guards with real nasty run blocking talent, he’ll be wasted.
No way I draft a safety in the first round, I think that is crazy considering they lost games because of defensive line play. At 22, I’d be looking for a Pat Sims type guy or a DE.
Yeah but the DL got exposed
when we had no secondary.
the better the coverage the more time they have to get after the QB…
like when we had hall/jjoe and pass rush was just a pleasent dream
by Bengalsfan024 on Jan 9, 2012 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
The dline got exposed
when teams ran the ball. You did see Saturdays game? Or the Baltimore game when Flaco lit up the secondary for a measly 170 years while they ran for 222 yards.
Fix the dline and the secondary has a much easier job.
or get sims back
Need a run stuffer dt, but can find that later. 1st rounds to high to pick a guy who will rotate with peko, adkins, fanane, and sims. If we lose sims I would move dt above of rb or saftey. Unless barring and Richardson are there, then I care less and take the best 2 players we can.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 5:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Preaching to the choir about Sims
He is the number 1 off season priority.
Did you notice what happened when Sims was out? The depth wasn’t there. Plus no way I offer Fanene or Rucker a third contract. They weren’t effective in subbing for Sims.
The Dline has to be upgraded significantly and they can’t let Fanene or Rucker leave and replace them with projects from round 4. They will need to get them in rounds 1 -3.
I like sims too
but, I’d like to see Collins re-signed for RT and move Smith to LG and get Grubbs for RG, draft either Decastro or Konz to learn behind Smith in case he walks next year
of the feeling the priority list includes sims too
but not limited to just resigning simms.
need nelson, simms resigned.
collins starting at tackle. smith moved to guard.
a big fa guard signed.
2 solid cbs in the draft.
alexander fired.
zimmer retained.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Got to disagree
Troy P. was drafted in first round and that pick turned out OK. D-line is solid against the run for the most part every game except for 1 or 2 big plays. If we have a safety who is capable of making a tackle once a RB breaks the line of scrimage those 50 and 70 yards TD runs would be eleimated and turned into 10 and 12 yard gains, which are not great but not back breakers either
Exactly
SS is a big help in the run game. Everyone is calling for Crockers head because of it.
by Bigcatdaddy on Jan 9, 2012 9:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
What everyone is forgetting is this team is close to being a very good team.
Drafting 3rd or 4th rounds for the line will set us back years. Use this draft to get studs for the lines, offense and defense. Use free agency and rounds 1-3 for the lines unless there is some crazy talent hanging around like Richardson.
Grab players that can help now.
plus mocks are generally pointless when Free Agency happens before hand
by Bengalsfan024 on Jan 9, 2012 5:15 PM EST up reply actions
Generally pointless?
Complete time wasters till April 20th or so.
as long as they get a free agent like grubbs its fine
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 5:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if I were G.M
I’d throw big lumps of grren backs at Rice and Grubbs, make B-more over pay if they wanna keep them, it’s a no lose situation in my mind, if they over pay, they can’t get top tier free agents and if they don’t we get 1 or maybe both ;)
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 5:18 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
good point
Give grubbs a real good offer, if we get him were good on oline, if bmore overpays we can laugh.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
if they franchise him
they won’t be able to franchise Grubbs, where they at in cap space? Pretty sure we could out pay them.
No f---ing way
That we would take Barron before Richardson. I love the picks, but I think the order is messed up.
would have to agree
i’m also of the mindset, i wouldn’t take a safety in this draft. would resign nelson and move nate to ss. draft at least 2 CBs instead.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
It doesn't matter who's running the ball........
We need major help on the O-line.
need a big guard fa signing
smith moved to guard, collins starting at tackle, alexander fired, and another guard in the draft
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
oh my goodnes
we’re posting the same way…great minds…lol, I’d grab Konz at 21, if a T gets hurt, you can move smith back to T and if a G or C goes down, you have Konz
more i think about the texan game
more i think its time to move on from alexander
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
1st round picks for me in this order
Richardson, kirkpatrick, Decastro, Konz, Dennard and Jenkins, we should be able to get 2 of these guys with 17 and 21
Latest Mock
I feel we need a dynamite SS i remember David Fulcher being dominant and the Bengals seemed to be in the Post season more often with very good safety secondly i remember
Ki Jana Carter to well makes me squeamish to take a RB in the first round but we do have a much better OL than then.so my thoughts are DB’s and shore up the OL in the draft and get a proven RB and wide reciever in FA Caldwell can go Simpson he aint the guy in my opinion we need a WR that will be consistent not doing flips for London olympic gymnastic competition’s that would leave us Green,Shipley,Hawkins,Whalen a free agent and a WR maybe round 5
Fulcher is comparable to Mays
he couldn’t cover either, but had the speed and size to be a difference maker, todays Nfl is different, was a runing leagur then, now it’s evolved into a passing one, Fulcher, imo would be no better than Mays
fulrock
could tackle. mays as a bengal, hasn’t really shown much on tackling
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
think his secondary play in games like st louis
speaks to the point..
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
WR market is a buyers market in 2012
lots of good WR’s in FA and the Bengals should be buyers.
I think they should also go long on guards in FA too. They found Bobbie Williams in FA, they should be able to find his replacement and Livings as well.
Then use the draft to focus on defense and that one running back.
We have sucked at FA signings when coming to WR.
Makes me nervous to sign another one with our past faults. Rather draft one.
Come on
There’s no way Richardson gets past Cleveland, let alone to #17.
cleveland needs a qb/wr/cb
all more than a rb
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I think they'll bring in a FA QB.
None of the QBs in this draft other than Luck scream “franchise QB” to me. Richardson is a safer pick with more upside.
to be fair
Newton, Dalton or yates were not screaming franchis last year either, but all three have shown some serious promise
Newton did.
As for Dalton & Yates… that’s why they weren’t drafted in the top 5
Holmgrem
RG3 just doesn’t seem like a Holmgren style QB to me
Colt McCoy showed serious promise too
then regressed as a second year pro… Cautionary tale before anointing Dalton just yet.
Look at the numbers
McCoy and Dalton had very similar numbers before McCoy got injured. The yards per game were identical. McCoy did more with a lot less. Browns need weapons, not a qb
Cleveland has 2 Round 1 picks this year
from the Julio Jones trade
that thought makes me a little nervous
cleveland signs someone like jason campbell
drafts richardson or resigns hillis
collects a top draft wr or fa wr.
much improved browns team in 2012
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
yea cleveland takes blackmon or RG3 before richardson and who's to say they don't resign hillis
AMAS
I could see Blackmon.
Hillis is done as a Brown with the way he handled this season.
not so sure
I live in Cleveland, and there has been talk that they may work out and get a contract.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 7:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well about 35 mins out
So I don’t have to deal with the city of Cleveland to often.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 9:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Clevelan can go sooo many different ways
I’d think they would go for Blackman or RG3 before Richardson
Draft needs
I’d be happen with Barron and a CB or a OG in the first. Maybe Polk will slide to us in the second.
Thoughts on Janoris Jenkins?
with his pot bust history? I can hear it now “same old Bengals” lol
But would you want the Bengals to take him
Since we’ve been working on getting rid of the criminals label.
Lots of red flags. They should have learned by now.
Anybody who gets kicked off their college team shouldn’t get a first round reward. If he doesn’t care about his college career what makes anyone think he’ll care about his pro career?
Talent wise he looks like a 1st rounder though.
you think
Clements and Hall would put up with his crap, or even Whit or Peko, we didn’t have the leaders then that we have now
Pac
Pacman was transformed because he hit rock bottom, not because of Zimmer.
If a guy wants to smoke, no amount of locker room leadership will prevent it.
by EarthwormJim on Jan 10, 2012 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
who knows
the problem is the drugs. So easy to use in their homes, drug testing is still not extensive in the NFL. Why worry about it in a fairly deep CB draft?
not so sure
A few things I saw was average this year, didn’t make first team all whatever d2 is. Kinda hard to spend a first on a second team all d2.
by JCompton41 on Jan 9, 2012 7:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good point
He should have been an absolute monster in D2. that is an even bigger flag than the pot busts IMO.
by EarthwormJim on Jan 10, 2012 8:27 AM EST up reply actions
DeCastro
I thought I saw a mock where he fell to us. I would love that pick at #17. That would be like 2 picks in one, if we can fix the o-line and free up Gresham to be more of a pass catcher.
I’m confused, if Trent Richardson is available when they’re on the clock @ #17, how do they not sprint to the announcers table with his name on a Mike Brown scrap piece of dot matrix printer paper?
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by Gold Star Chili Cheese Fries on Jan 9, 2012 6:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Middle of the field
It’s my opinion that you need stud playmakers in the middle of the field and CONSISTENT players on the fringes. Look no further than the competition in our division. If I were building the team with what we have the priorities would be Guard, Safety, Running back. Get CB (maybe 2) in FA who won’t bite on every double move. Look at the Steelers and Ravens. Their CB’s are horrendous (on paper) but get the job done and their WR’s just do their jobs.
I saw one game in person this year
against the Seahawks and watched Sims being abused by John Moffitt, who should have been the player to shore up our O line since we all knew it was an issue before the season started. I like our rotation at D line and I like Sims, but if there is a talent upgrade on the O or D line I think you have to start there. The top notch guards may be gone even by pick 17 though because the new rookie pay scale would justify them going in the first round. Obviously things will happen in FA witch will dictate what happens in the draft.
This usually means that the big names (including our own FA’s) will quickly go to other teams and we patiently pick from the less expensive players (scrap heap). Fans wil be enraged and blame MB for being a cheap skate.
these mocks are unrealistic
The Bengals just don’t go after safeties. It’s not a priority for them.
If they ever get a good one, they let them walk.
They take safties with low picks or as cast off free agents.
2011 round 5….Robert Sands
2010 none
2009 none
2008 round 6…Corey Lynch
2007 round 4…Marvin White, round 7 Chinedum Ndukwe
2006 none
2005 none
True but we also ussually
Do not ahve 2 first round picks
Hopefully
Mike Brown will wake up and realize the game has changed. It’s a passing league now. You need good coverage safeties, or we will continue getting exposed like we did against the Texans.
by EarthwormJim on Jan 10, 2012 8:37 AM EST up reply actions
You are correct
Dline and Safety is where the Bengals under invest.
Richardson will be there when the Bengals pick, but they could easily pass on him
none of the teams above Cincy really need a RB other than CLE and Indy.
Indy’s taking Luck, and CLE likely takes Blackmon if he falls to them.
In 2011 only 2 RB’s were taken in the top 55 picks (M Ingram, R Williams), and neither of them did much of anything.
In 2010 5 RB’s were taken in the top 55 picks (CJ Spiller, R Mathews, J Best, D McCluster, T Gerhart) and none of them has emerged as a great RB.
In 2009 4 RB’s were taken in the top 55 picks (K Moreno, D Brown, C Wells, L McCoy) with the last 2 of them picked (#31) and (#53) emerging.
The trend seems to be on taking RB’s lower and lower in the draft, and of late none of the high picked RB’s have been worth it.
Watch the Jets draft Richardson
I would love it if he fell to us, but I can see the Jets returning to the run game with a vengeance based on how their season turned out this year. And Greene hasn’t really panned out for them. So even though I would love it if Richardso fell to us, I don’t see it happening. Barron I would love to have. How about:
Decastro
Barron
best available RB
best available CB
best available DE
I don't know
The Jets haven’t even committed to Sanchez for next year…
by Oregonbengalsfan on Jan 9, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions
But they wont draft a QB
There wont be one there to draft. I just dont see Richardson falling to us, thats all.
Depends on if we keep Adam, and Leon's prognosis
I’m wishy washy about keeping Adam. I sense their may be chemistry issues (more like a chemical imbalance, lol) with Adam and the rest of the guys in the secondary. If Leon comes back full speed, and Nate continually plays lights out, then Adam is a nickel corner anyway. We all saw that safety was big problem for us against the Cowflops. So if this safety is the best secondary player available, then pop for him. I don’t care who we draft to carry the ball, as long he is capable of running screens and posts and actually catching the rock.
Cant go wrong with Jenkins, Barron, and James to start off the day.
Wouldn’t touch young lineman. We need another leader at guard like Whitworth. I get best guard, dt, and te thru free agency. A younger version of Donald Lee with James coming in a make our offense best in our division.
by pray4gm11 on Jan 9, 2012 10:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Try to get DeCastro, if you can't, draft cordy glenn
Barron will be there for our 2nd 1st rounder according to walterfootball
I dont like the pick at safety so early in the draft.
There are alot of people out there who have Barron with a 2nd round grade. Cincy needs to take a WR like Michael Floyd or Alshon Jeffrey to compliment Green and Gresham.
With the other pick in the 1st round Cincy needs to hope that Cordy Glenn is there because this kid can play 4 position on the oline. The team did a horrible job of putting weapons and more important an offensive line in front of Carson and he would get killed because of it. I still remember the pre-season game where Palmer is walking off the field at halftime with a busted nose.
I hope Mike Brown learns from his past mistakes and does things right this time. This team can be special if the right moves are made……so we will see.
There is no way in hell that Trent Richardson gets out of the top 10.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
I’ve become a believer in creating dominance in an area if the opportunity is there – hence I am a big believer that Simms and most of the defensive side need to be resigned.
If Richardson doesn’t fall through the floor I say get both DeCastro and Glenn in the 1st, and a RB like Martin in the 3rd+. Martin can catch and an OL comprised of Whitworth/DeCastro/Glenn and Smith should be able to make lanes as needed. Also – an OL like that will attract good RB’s even if Martin doesn’t turn out.
Could also trade down a bit and go for an Glenn/Osemele combo.
2nd rounder is to work CB or other core need. Later rounds guys I like comprise Trumaine Johnson and Ray Ray Armstrong.
Best draft for me:
DeCastro (17) and Glenn (21)
Minnifield (2nd)*
Johnson (3rd)
Armstrong (4th)*
Martin (4th)*
Huge upgrades on the OL, nice adds at CB, a S that should work out and Martin can’t be any worse than Benson. Everything after that is gravy. Only real issue I have is that I really really like Wolfe out of Cincy and he would be long, long gone by the 6th and trade assets to acquire a 3rd could be hard to rustle up given I already have a trade figured in.
Of course… FA changes everything and snagging one of Grubbs/Nicks tops my to-do list (I also like Vincent Jackson, Robert Meachum and Tracy Porter but Grubbs/Nicks are they key guys to target because, as much as anything else, getting one of them frees up a key draft pick for other uses).
- reflects a trade where the Bengals trade up on the 2nd and gain a 4th with the cost being the 2012 2nd and the 2011 5th
Resign Collins
Move Andre 3000 to RG. Draft Decastro/Glenn. That should be a formidable offensive line. If Richardson is there (God willing) that has the makings of an offensive juggernaut for years to come. Resign Simpson. He’d be the 4th option behind Green, Shipley and Gresham, maybe 5th since Richardson can actually catch the ball in the flat.
Resign Rucker, Fanene & Sims, Jennings, Pacman & Nelson. And scoop up safeties and cornerbacks in the draft.
My dream scenario
The Bengals re-sign Collins to play RT, move Andre to G and sign Grubbs or Nicks in FA to play the other guard. They re-sign Bobbie as a quality back-up and veteran leadership. That gives you a line of Whit, Andre, Collins, Cook and Grubbs/Nicks. Instantly better in pass protection and running game.
Then, in the draft, IF, and I think that is a big “if”, Richardson falls to the Bengals you consider taking him. From there you take the best CB available unless there is a SS who is rated higher. After watching the national championship game I am not sold on Kirkpatrick b/c he refuses to tackle with anything put a hand on the shoulder pads and the LSU DBs were consistently getting torched by the AL WRs.
One thing that I think the Bengals need to be prepared to do is trade back and acquire more picks. There is a distinct possibility that the best players in this draft which fill needs for the Bengals are already gone by 17. Why draft a guy you can get in the 2nd round with the #17 or #21 pick in the first. A team will be looking to get “their guy” and if you can trade #17 to get another 2nd and a 3rd plus a later round pick, take it. (Now, this is assuming that the Bengals sign one of the stud FA guards. If not, they likely must use the pick on a guard.)
I thought Montee Ball was staying in School??
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