Bengals Trade???
First off, Palewook is actually the one who made me think about this scenario in another thread.
It was brought up in a discussion that the Raiders new regime may be willing to trade Darren McFadden.
Palewook's question was simple. What would you be willing to give up to acquire Darren McFadden, given his injury history? Would it be a 1rst rounder, a 2nd rounder, a 3rd rounder, or maybe nothing at all?
My first reaction was he is way too injury prone so I wouldn't give up a whole lot. However the more I thought about it, the more I thought maybe there is a way we could make a trade with Oakland that would benefit both teams.
We obviously need a RB and McFaddens's one of the best in the game, when healthy. The Raiders are desperate for draft picks because they have multiple positions of need they would like to address and virtually no picks. I went ahead and looked it up (Walter football), and one of positions they would like to address is right tackle.
We are set at right tackle with Andre Smith and Anthony Collins, assuming we can resign Anthony Collins this year. The problem is that it's going to be difficult for us to resign him because he will more than likely be able to go to several other teams and start. IMO there is virtually no drop off between Anthony Collins and Andre Smith, the only real difference is Andre Smith was a first round draft choice and has been given more opportunities to succeed.
My thinking is why not resign Anthony Collins to a long term deal as our starting right tackle (we could get him for a reasonable price as a starter and then we would literally be set at both the left and right tackle position for years to come). We could then use Andre Smith (who played well this year and his stock has never been higher) as an asset in a trade for Darren McFadden.
I realize it may seem like a lot to give up for a guy who has been injury prone but if it works out are offense could be devastating. He's still not even 25 years old and none of his injuries have been real severe (career threatening). Plus, because of his previous injuries and time missed he does NOT have a lot of wear and tear on his body, which is always a concern when talking about acquiring a veteran RB.
Andre Smith has one year left on his rookie deal for about 1.7 million dollars, Darren McFadden is still on his rookie deal with the Raiders as well. He has 2 years left at about 6 million dollars per year. I'd be willing to offer the Raider's Andre Smith (who was also a first round draft pick) along with our 2nd round pick this year for Darren McFadden.
The deal would hook us up with an elite RB (for at least 2 years). It would give the Raiders a high draft pick in return as well as address one of there team needs. Not to mention, it would free up additional (salary cap) money for them to go out after other free agents.
Worst case scenario for us, McFadden continues to battle injuries and does not pan out. If that's the case we make do with what we have on our roster, same as we would have to do if our potential draft pick got injured. For insurance, we still have the Raiders 2nd round pick next year and we will once again be able to look at addressing the RB position through the draft. Next years RB class appears to be stacked with RB talent (Marcus Lattimore SC, Michael Dyer Auburn, Montee Ball Wisc., Eddy Lacey Bama, Christine Michael A&M) and we may even end up being better off in the long run.
It's a BOOM or BUST proposition but it's a gamble I think I'd be willing to take. Not only because it lands us a potentially dynamic RB at a bargain price but it also give us long term stability at both tackle positions on our offensive line.
Well there you have it. If possible, would you pull the trigger on a trade for McFadden and if so what would you be willing to give up?
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Not a bad idea
but I wouldn’t do it and i’m a guy that likes darren. However, When andre was on his game, I think he showed to be equal to collins with more upside ( as long as his weight is in check). It would be tough to work it out because of the league year starting. You would have to sign collins and tell him he will be a starter which means he would want a much larger contract. At the same time explain to andre why your singing collins to a longer term contract or tell him your trading him once it’s permitted. Very tough to do without getting the locker room all messed up.
The easiest way to get him is to reoffer there draft choice back.
I agree Andre has a slightly higher upside
But he has battled injury and weight issues as well that have kept him off the field. As paying starter money to Collins, it may be true but it will more than likely be much less than we will have to pay Andre next year when his contract expires.
I also agree lasistically it would be tough to do but the best part to me is it not only gives us a potential dynamic back but it also gives of peace of mind of having stability at both tackle positions
I would be all for this..
Because in Oakland, they never had an elite O Line. yet Darren still managed to tear it up when he was healthy. as long as we have a solid backup to replace him ( if needed ), we should be alright. Maybe Isiah Pead of Doug Martin? but only in the 2nd round.
IMO, If we made this trade
I do not think we would draft another RB and if we did it wouldn’t be until late (round 6 or 7)
yeah i see your point,
Seeing as though we do have other holes to fill. but it would be nice, considering how the NFL iss turning into more of a dual threat option at the RB position.
From our end I think would be a great trade.....
would give Collins a well deserved shot to start and potentially solve our issues with a lack of a WCO back. With the way the Raiders run the ball, I doubt they would go for giving him up since I keep hearing they are looking to franchise Bush so they can keep both……but throwing in a high draft pick to a team desperate for them could always sway that type of deal. Interesting, lately we’ve been making some great moves so who knows.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 1, 2012 7:26 AM EST reply actions
I doubt it will happen as well
But apparently it’s been floated that they may willing to trade him for a high draft pick, so who knows
Love Richardson
But would much rather have McFadden, especially when healthy
I also agree
but there is just no indication he will stay healthy.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
I go with Richardson,on a rookie contract
But i wouldnt turn down McFadden
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I would be comfortable trading Andre for McFadden
And throwing in a third, but due to injury history, I would not trade one of the 1st round picks for him.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
I said, I would do Andre and a second
Because I think that’s when we select a RB. I would not give Andre and a first either and I agree Andre and a 3rd would be even be better:)
They get a large man and a pick.
Smith is still a young but experienced right tackle, more ready to start than a draft pick, and can still play for 10 years, plus they get a 3rd round pick. As it stands right now, they don’t have a pick in the 1st 3 rounds.
It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain
Amost forgot, at a great price
They are going to have fill most of there needs through free agency and money is going to be an issue. They will be hard pressed to find a QUALITY tackle for less than 1.7 million dollars in FA
This I'd go for
I don’t like throwing in a 2nd, but maybe a 3rd.
I would rather keep Tubby as a guard, but anything that lets us get something out of either him or Collins is a great deal. That is, compared to just keeping Smith and letting Collins go kick ass for someone else, which is obviously going to happen.
Sounds reasonable,from our side
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
There are only 3 teams who would take Richardson
Bucs Cheifs and definately the Jets. We could trade with Philly and the cost would be a 4th and 5th
When healthy
McFadden > Richardon
In this scenerio you suggested to get Richardson you would be using a 1rst, a 4th, and a 5th. To get McFadden all we would be spending is a 2nd.
Apparently from what I read they are in the market for a Rt tackle
Otherwise, it would not even be an option
Not at all:)
I thought it was just an interresting scenero. One of things I liked best (was as much as like Andre Smith and think he has come a long way) it would be not only an opportunity grab a dynamic back but it would also allow us to resign Anthony Collins (who I really like) long term and stabilize both offensive tackle position. We do not even know if or what it will take to resign Andre next year and if we loose both him and Collins in back to back years, I’ll be pissed!!!
Yeah we all know Alexander has no clue what real talent is. He's either too old now or needs better glasses....
I give him that he untied the line that was Brahm Levi and Willie but he’s past his prime like a 32 yr old Rb…..he doesn’t even realize how much better of a player Collins is, Move Andre to guard and put Collins at the RT position.
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Then draft MARTIN!!!!
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 10:20 AM EST up reply actions
Moving Andre to guard and signing Collins long term would be the best case scenereo
And I would love to see it!!! Unfortunately I do NOT see it happening
I wish Alexander would have been part of the house cleaning....
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
jets will take barron
or the gm / coach will probably be fired at the end of 2012.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
wouldnt give up a 1st
And raiders would take nothing less. We just robbed them for a 1st and a second, they won’t get robbed again for a tackle who’s still considered close to bust, and a 2nd round pick for a top running back.
by JCompton41 on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 AM EST via mobile reply actions
would love to get rundmc
can’t justify giving up a 1st for him with his injury history. agree that the raiders aren’t going to give away rundmc either.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Ehh... I would love Run DMC .....
But would rather go with a fresh back right outta the draft. I think he would do well, but I just don’t see it. Marvin is trying to keep this lookroom from falling apart and this moving and shaking could cause a disturbance. I say we pay Collins what he’s worth and live with Andre the giant a few more years, because of injuries and such I’d say he has similar wear and tear that Run DMC has but less cause RB’s take poundings….
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 10:11 AM EST reply actions
One of my biggest fears
Is that we loose Anthony Collins this year because he has chance to go some place else and start. And then Andre plays great (which I could see in a contracr year) and excpects to be paid big time money that the Bengals feel he is overall body of work is not worth and then we loose both Collins and Andre in back to back to years and have to start over at the tackle position
Hahah SB prediction in hiding?
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
Haha....this almost makes me want to change it mine...
almost.
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions
**...change mine...**
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 1, 2012 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nice catch:)
I wasn’t sure if you would catch it
Honestly
I could care less what we gave up if it meant we win the Super bowl. In fact, I’d be willing to give up every draft pick we have this year if it meant we WIN the Superbowl
Biggie,Let's spend the $ on "Nicks" at Guard (just in his 3rd year) worth the $ !!
and then draft……..
1.Janoris Jenkins or Gilmore at CB
2.Lamar Miller at RB
3.Alshon Jeffrey at #2 receiver
And we’re all set.
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Maximus*
I like spending the money on Nicks
And because he’s still on his rookie contract and not that espensive, you could do both.
Ced was making 3 million, Andre 1.7 million so you are talking about adding a little over a million dollars to the payroll. That leaves plenty of Money to add Nicks as well.
Could you imagine if we were able to bring in Nicks and McFadden in the same off season
Bad thing is...
He said that he wants to stay with the Saints. and i honestly dont think he would want to come to Cincinnati.
If you look at their bio's on cbssports.com
McFadden and Miller seem to be pretty similar when it comes to running style,size and the attributes they bring to the table. Yes McFadden had the better resume in college but Miller passed on his last 2 years, in which he may have built up the same kind of resume. So why not keep Smith and the picks and just draft Miller? I do like McFadden but people were bent out of shape when Benson started fumbling and McFadden does that quite a bit.13 fumbles in 32 games.
I ussually agree with both you and gratefulmax on most topics
But this is one area where I coninue disagree with you both. I’m not sold on Miller at all. Honestly, he is barley even in my top 5 RB prospects this year and really hope we do not reach for him. Having said that, you can probabally guess that I don’t personally beleive he has anywhere close to the amount abilities McFadden has. And again, that’s just my opinion and I know it’s not neccessarily a popular one
Makes no sense for Raiders
Just sign Collins and keep McFadden if there is no drop-off between the OTs
Great suggestion
Pull the trigger I have always loved watching him run the ball,if he could stay healthy for us i think you are right the Bengal’s offense would be devestating!!!!
Simple as this
We are not trading him, from someone who has a reliable source, we are not trading McFadden
Oh I kind of figured
It’s a bit of wishful thinking. But then again, I didn’t think we would trade Palmer either:)
My take is
Carson played with Andre,and he would be sure to advise his current team to PLEASE go a different direction
I’d prefer to keep Collins and Andre,if thats somehow possible.
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