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Round Table: Thoughts On The Upcoming Draft And Free Agency

For our latest round table discussion, I sat down with (on the Internet) with Ryan Harper, Jack Cassidy and Brennen Warner to discuss what the Bengals should do in the first round of the draft and which of their own players they should re-sign when free agency begins.

Here's the conversation:

The Bengals have the No. 17 and No. 21 overall picks in the first round of the draft. They have some pretty big holes to fill on the roster and they're in need of a cornerback, safety, wide receiver, running back and help on the offensive line. What two positions would you use the team's first-round draft picks to fill?

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Ryan H. Definitely cornerback for one of the two picks. When Hall went down with his Achilles injury it really exposed the Bengals lack of depth behind him. As for the second pick, while the Bengals have quite a few holes to fill, I would use the second one for some help on the offensive line. There's enough running talent in this draft that they could wait until the second or third round to get a back. It would be a reach to draft a running back in the first round and he would be doomed anyways because there isn't much of an offensive line to open any running lanes

Brennen W. For me, offensive guard is the most important position to address. Drafting a guy like David DeCastro would do wonders for our horrible running attack, and would give Dalton more time. But, he's the only guard worthy of a first round pick really. If he's not there, I'd be fine with a cornerback, runningback, or Mark Barron - in that order.

Ryan H. Even if Richardson is off the boards by the time the Bengals pick you would be okay with them selecting a different running back in the first round?

Jack C. Personally, I address what I see as the biggest need: the secondary. I realize it isn't the popular pick, but if Barron is available at 17 then that's a player you need to strongly consider taking. At, 21 you have to believe that either Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, or Dennard will still be there, and if they aren't then address the offensive line. What I DON'T want is running back. It's been said over and over again, but there's no significant difference between 1st round backs and later round backs.

Jack C. The role of the running game in the NFL is lessening and lessening. It's all about the passing attack now, so let's address the positions that will defend just that.

Jason G. If I had to choose what the team would do with their two first-round picks, I would say they need to find somebody to shore up the secondary, whether that's with a new cornerback or safety and then they need to find a guard. I actually wouldn't mind it if they picked a corner and safety both in the first round and addressed guard and running back in the next couple rounds.

Ryan H. I would be all for the Bengals drafting David DeCastro, if he's still available at No. 17 or 21

Jason G. Having said that, though, I also understand that the team needs a new running back and waiting until the second round or later could be a risk, especially if the other teams go running back crazy early. However, talented backs could be found in free agency.

Brennen W. Right now, Trent Richardson is the only one worth the 17th or 21st pick. Lamar Miller, Chris Polk, Doug Martin could all rise, but you can only take Richardson if the Bengals were to draft today. Jack, to go off your point about the increasing role of the passing attack, Richardson is very good at pass-catching and pass-blocking. I'm perfectly okay with drafting Richardson in the first round, he's elite at everything.

Jack C. Exactly. Running backs are so hit or miss that I just don't see the practicality in using a 1st round pick on one, especially with so many other holes to fill.

Ryan H. It would be a repeat of last year.....just with running backs instead of quarterbacks. If teams go crazy in the first round.

Jason G. I've also seen a handful of mock drafts that have the Bengals taking a wide receiver in the first round. I personally think that would be a huge mistake, but what do you guys think?

Ryan H. Yeah that would be a mistake. Sure they do need another wide receiver to compliment A.J. Green considering Jerome Simpson and Andre Caldwell's futures with the team are unknown and Jordan Shipley will be a question mark coming off his injury, but a wide receiver isn't their biggest need

Brennen W. I think drafting Michael Floyd or Alshon Jeffery would be a huge mistake because I don't think they are very good frankly. But I'm in the surround-Dalton-with-weapons camp, so if Justin Blackmon is there at 17 (highly unlikely), that would be an incredible value pick. You have to take him.

Jack C. Big mistake in my opinion. A #2 receiver is needed, but not nearly as much as other positions. A player I like is Arkansas wide receiver Joe Adams. He had a big day catching the ball at the Senior Bowl, is a phenomenal kick returner (a position I would love to improve at), and could very realistically be available in the third or fourth round.

Ryan H. I would rather see the Bengals fill other positions in the first round and address wide receiver later on in the draft or dare I say it, even via free agency
despite their lack of success with free agent wide receivers in the last three or four years....

Brennen W. In general, I'm not opposed to taking a wide receiver if the value is there. Not a mistake at all. Don't reach for a player that isn't worth the pick just because it's a big need. Problem is, only Justin Blackmon fits the bill here.

Before we even really get into the draft, though, there is free agency to worry about. The first thing that teams do in free agency is take care of their own. Each of you come up with the one player the Bengals absolutely need to re-sign and the one player that that they should absolutely let walk away and why.

Jack C. The player I keep is defensive end Frostee Rucker. He was a crucial piece of of our defensive line which was the strength of a very solid defense, and he's an invaluable run stopper. I'd love to see Rucker come back.

Ryan H. Mike McGlynn has to go. Whenever he was on the field the right side of the line would deteriorate. He was more of a punching bag for pass rushers because he was mauled by them on a consistent basis. Also he didn't do much to help enhance the running game either. That's one pick-up that I wish wouldn't have happened, but it did and hopefully his time in Cincy is up.

Brennen W. You have to go with Reggie Nelson in the must keep category. If he's gone, the Bengals have zero safeties worth starting. I think Reggie's skill is a little over-hyped by our fans, but if you look at his replacements, that's why he is so valuable to the team.

Jack C. Stay away from Jerome Simpson. Inconsistency, legal troubles...you name it and it was a problem for Simpson. Sure, he showed signs that he could be a solid #2, but not close to enough to keep him any longer.

Ryan H. As for the keeper, I agree with Brennen, it should be Reggie Nelson. If he leaves via free agency then the Bengals don't have any viable replacements on the current roster. And even though he was inconsistent at times, he was better than some of our other internal options.

Brennen W. I'm letting Cedric Benson walk away. Goes without saying really. He's below average at everything, and his attitude simply doesn't fit on the team. I'd be absolutely shocked if he were resigned.

Jason G. I would say the Bengals should re-sign Manny Lawson. Lawson played very well as one of the team's outside linebackers, especially in the last stretch of the season. Many have talked about the linebacker position being one of need but I think Lawson deserves another one- or two-year contract. As for the player I'd let walk away, I would say Benson but I think I'd actually be more upset if they re-signed Simpson. He's terribly inconsistent and the legal troubles are too big of a red flag.

Brennen W. I wouldn't be surprised if they let Manny Lawson and Brandon Johnson walk though. We have an absolute logjam at linebacker with Roddrick Muckelroy, Dontay Moch, and Keith Rivers all returning after missing 2011.

Jason G. See, I actually wouldn't be surprised if they let Rivers go. For a first-round pick, he's been completely underwhelming the entire time he's been in the starting lineup. The linebacker position I think could go either way. It will be interesting to see what happens

Brennen W. Yes, that's another possibility too. Depends on who they bring back, but training camp for LBs this year will be intense.

Jack C. That'd be tough to see, but you're exactly right Jason. Too bad, I really liked Rivers when he was drafted.

Ryan H. Who is to say that Roddrick Muckelroy, Dontay Moch, or Keith Rivers will be able to stay on the field for the season? I don't think it would be wise to let both Brandon Johnson and Manny Lawson to walk. I think they should at least bring back one of them.
I liked Rivers at first, but not so much anymore. He hasn't been able to stay healthy or produce when he's on the field.

Brennen W. True. Point is, the Bengals have some very tough decisions to make with the LB corps.

Jason G. Yes they do

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My ideal offseason

Resign

Reggie Nelson
Frostee Rucker
Pat Sims
Brandon Johnson
Adam Jones
Donald Lee
Mike Nugent
Johnathon Fanene
Dennis Roland

Chris Pressley ®
Vincent Rey ®
Jeromy Miles ®
Cedric Peerman ®
Clark Harris ®
Dan Skuta ®

Try to resign, although it may be difficult

Manny Lawson
Anthony Collins

Let Walk

Cedric Benson
Jerome Simpson
Andre Caldwell
Mike McGlynn
Gibril Wilson
Kelly Jennings
Nate Livings
Bo Scaife
Bobbie Williams

Cut

Chris Crocker

Bring in

Carl Nicks (G)
Terrel Thomas (CB)
Jeremey Zuttah (C/G)

Draft

Round 1

– David Decastro
- Stephon Gilmore
Round 2

David Martin

Round 3 – 7

BPA

by biggie22 on Feb 1, 2012 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

That would be an awesome offseason!

by 4bengals on Feb 1, 2012 5:33 PM EST up reply actions  

Pretty good list...

I would still re-sign Jennings.
I would focus more on Lawson than Jones. They do not have any other options at SAM. They have a few reasonable options at WILL, but for SAM they really need to keep Lawson.

by California Bengal Fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Also

Oops — Anyway — ALSO, Crocker is a favorite of Zim’s. He will stay one more year to fulfill his contract. I would not mind getting Barron and having Crocker give him a year of mentoring.

by California Bengal Fan on Feb 1, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

CROCKER: "This is how you let someone blow past you for a TD"

“And that right there, son, is how you half-ass arm tackle someone and then watch them rumble up the sideline… are you taking notes?”

BARRON: “Yes sir. This is GOLD!”

by Boomer Lion on Feb 1, 2012 6:54 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

In this scenerio

We have both Nicks and DeCastro so no need to pay Bobbie. Also Hall and Thomas would both be coming off season ending injuries so we would want to keep Jones

by biggie22 on Feb 1, 2012 7:01 PM EST up reply actions  

If our offseason happened like that, that'd be fantastic.

I don’t think they’re cutting Crocker though. As bad as he is, he’s currently the only safety on the roster other than I think Mays and Jeromy Miles.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Feb 2, 2012 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

LB is an underrated need

I could see Muckelroy or Moch being released as part of the 53 man cut down much like Brandon Ghee or Chase Coffman. I’ve heard fans say we have Moch and Muck, but once a player is hurt like that, teams don’t head into the offseason counting on them. They’re non-factors now. And I understand Mich’s issue was migraines, but he has to show he can get over them or play through them.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 5:44 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Yes. As much as I want MOch to work out...

The staff would be foolish to count on him as a contributor next year. If he shows up ready to play, fabulous; if not, I hope that we plan for that.

by Boomer Lion on Feb 1, 2012 6:56 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 7:08 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

First round Money

Whoever is there when the Bengals pick had better be worth the money. This is dangerous bust territory. I agree definitely with corner and guard. Running backs are over-rated unless you know you are getting the next Marshall Faulk but you have to get one by the 3rd and safety 2nd but it depends on overall talent left on the board and FA verses need. I would have to look at a really good DE or a dominant MLB (sorry Rey).

by Backyard Bengal on Feb 1, 2012 5:49 PM EST reply actions  

If we don't pick up Barron, then I really like Markelle Martin from OSU.

I’ve seen him mocked anywhere from bottom of the first to bottom of the third. Picking him up in the third would be ideal.

by Boomer Lion on Feb 1, 2012 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Rivers

I think you guys are being rather hard on Rivers because he was a first round pick so you expect he should be a God. Look, I get it, I wanted him to be a stud too. Instead, we have a solid guy who is very good and would probably be a fan favorite if he was a 2nd or 3rd round pick. He had a positive PFF score in both 2009 and 2010 and increased his tackles every year. In fact, he averages more tackles per game than Rey yet gets crapped on.

He is a solid guy and should be able to play for a spot — NOT get cut before the season.

by steveinct on Feb 1, 2012 5:51 PM EST reply actions  

I agree with 99% of this

except it wouldn’t be his play that would get him cut, it would be his attitude. He put himself before the team when he chose to wait until the Lockout was over before having reconstructive wrist surgery. He had the injury in 2010 season late in the year. He could’ve had surgery right after. He didn’t. Then the Lockout hit, surgery money would’ve been out of his own pocket, so he waited until camp. I still like Rivers and hope they keep him, but he made a bad choice.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 6:00 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Wait a second.

Are you saying that a guy who makes millions would risk it healing incorrectly, thus jeopardizing his future, because he was too cheap to get the surgery? You are also saying that you know for a fact that he didn’t purchase insurance for himself and his family (if he has one), when the lockout came because he was too cheap to get a $150 a month major med policy? I don’t know Joe, that sounds awfully presumptuous. Could it be the doctors told him it would heal and it actually healed incorrectly, thus necessitating a re-break and reconstruct? It just sounds fishy. It seems like it would have cost a LOT less to get the surgery, even if it was out of pocket, than to risk an injury settlement and be out of football for a year or two.

Do you have any verifiable proof (with links) regarding him not having insurance and being too cheap to get the surgery done, thus putting himself before the team?

by steveinct on Feb 1, 2012 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

My point wasn’t about the insurance. Did he buy his own? Maybe. Does insurance cover previous injuries or accidents before coverage began? Again, I don’t know. I do know that the injury happened during the 2010 season and he played with a weird Cast/Brace. I’ve seen plenty of quotes from Marvin and I even talked to Geoff Hobson about it and they both went along the lines of ‘Keith elected to wait for surgery’. That’s what I’m going off of. I’ve gotten the feeling that the coaches weren’t pleased with that from various people I’ve talked to and things I’ve read. Maybe he thought it would heal on its own? I don’t think this is another case of misidentified medical issue by the medical staff because it has seemed different since Marvin re-upped. My point was, from what I’ve gathered, Keith chose not to have surgery at a time that could’ve saved his chances of playing in 2011, but he instead waited for whatever reason.
Since this story is already a year old, I’m forgetting details that lead me to my original conclusion. Take it or leave it.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 6:45 PM EST via Android app up reply actions   1 recs

I guess we are remembering it slightly different

You are right, it was a long time ago, so maybe I am foggy as well. I seem to remember him being on the non-football related PUP which would insinuate this happened over the off-season and was not football related. Maybe I am wrong about that. If it was in the off-season, I would assume that he had coverage unless he is a moron (which is also possible). Then again, it would probably take less than one game check to pay for the surgery so even if he didn’t have insurance, it still seems strange. If it happened to him during the 2010 season, he would have been covered by the team until the lockout, which was well after our season ended so I would think the team doctors would have pushed him into the surgery then.

The whole thing is weird. I am not prepared to say anything about his selfishness or attitude toward the team since we really don’t have any facts, just conjecture from soundbites and snippets on the web. I have never heard bad things about him (other than this), he doesn’t get in trouble with the law, and he is a good player. I hope he comes back and competes for a spot.

by steveinct on Feb 1, 2012 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

You’re right. I was adding 2+2 and got 22. We wont know the answers. I hope he’s healthy and a contributes.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 7:11 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I'm totally down with taking Barron

We are too far behind our division rivals in the safety department. We need to upgrade that almost as bad as the OL.

by FriarBob on Feb 1, 2012 8:00 PM EST reply actions  

exactly

look at our entire division..there are top level guys on every team:

Troy
Reed
Ward

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Feb 1, 2012 8:45 PM EST up reply actions  

we need to add Barron to this list

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Feb 1, 2012 8:46 PM EST up reply actions  

OL , CB , SS ,RB

No running back will help if we don’t fix this line.DeCastro would be my pick at 17 ,if he is there : Peter Konz,Evin Zeitler or Cordy Glenn would all help our line .Not all of them rank a 17th pick though.Barron would be a nice addition at 21 or the best CB on the board – Jenkins,Kirkppatrick or Dennard.We are in a good spot in this draft.We are going to have a tough choice to make because I think some players that people think won’t be there —will !!
Like DeCastro ,Jenkins ,Richerson ,Barron, Dennard and Konz. Who would you pick ?

Kenneth Michael Powers

by BengalDude on Feb 1, 2012 10:09 PM EST reply actions  

Your not considering money and the salary cap

Do you realize some of the guys you say to re-sign are going to go from near minimum salary to 2M+ a year in some cases. As far as the draft, that’s hard to say without knowing who we re-sing and don’t and who we sign in free agency. I don’t think we can keep as many people as you think. We may sign a CB and RB in free agency and then we wouldn’t be drafting one with the 17 pick. See we are one of a few teams that looks to pick certain positions in each round. But we have at times went for value instead, like Michael Johnson, Carlos Dunlap, Rey Maualuga. This is a good draft for NTs & Gs. I think G is the key position, and we have to take one in the first two rounds. A NT to replace Pat Sims or just to add more girth in the first 2 rounds would be prudent. There have been reports of indications that we will fill the SS position in house…which I think means Taylor Mays. RUling out SS, then CB would be a good pick. Also any player that they perceive as a difference maker. We reallly need a #2 WR but that position is weak in the draft and you won’t neccesarilly get a better WR in late round 1 than you will in round 3 or 4. Right now I think the appropriate discussion is how much will each unrestricted free agent cost and is there someone else on the team, in free agency, or the draft to fill the role for team at a lesser cost. Because you have to be careful. I like Rucker, Fanene & Sims but they are likely to land a lot of money from teams that want them to start, when they are backups on our team.

by Matt Windle on Feb 2, 2012 4:37 AM EST reply actions  

This is an off season which could go so many ways

I’m equating this to the past off season where it started out and appeared to be running poorly and then we all kind of had that “ah ha” moment. Things fell into place and it was a great off season. Everyone seems antsy for something to happen. The only one who seems calm is Marvin and I hope that equates into a series of moves that make this team better. It is exciting b/c this team is young and seems on the verge of something great.

To focus on just one area I think the Bengals should let Rivers go (or try to get something for him around the draft). I really like Muck but as was stated above the Bengals are left waiting to see how he comes back from the injury. If he is 100% I think he could challenge Rey. I also like Moch but migraines are a weird beast. He could never have another one or his career could be over. Again he is a question mark. If these two guys are 100% then the LB corps is stocked but since you can’t count on that I think Manny Lawson MUST be signed. He played really well this year and provided more juice than Rivers ever did (as in impact plays). I would also try to add a couple of years to Howard. Then, I think if there is a solid LB available in the 3-5 rounds I would try to grab one unless of course someone like Pead is significantly higher rated and happens to fall in the Bengals lap through those mid rounds.

by WOOD98 on Feb 2, 2012 4:49 AM EST reply actions  

Lawson

I’m for re-signing Manny Lawson. He’s a very solid player, plus he pretty much is the only true strongside linebacker we have on the team. Rivers and Johnson are weakside backers. Muck is coming off of a serious injury and mostly has played inside. Moch is a year behind schedule because of injuries and his migraine condition. He will probably be mostly a special teams player next season. They really need to sign a linebacker or two in free agency to provide some depth.

by AWC71 on Feb 2, 2012 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

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