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Round Table: More On Free Agency And Thoughts On Peyton Manning

For our next round table, I was still with Jack Cassidy, Brennen Warner and Ryan Harper. This time we continued the discussion on free agency by looking at which players we might like to bring in from other teams and we also discussed the possibility of Peyton Manning leaving the Colts, a team the Bengals should be fairly familiar with.

Of the free agents that you know of, which would you like to see in stripes when the season starts?
And by realistic... no Arian Fosters cause it's not going to happen.

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Brennen W. Going with the Ravens Offensive Guard Ben Grubbs here. Fresh news today that the Ravens might not resign him, so I say it's realistic!

"The Ravens were less optimistic about their chances of retaining free agent LG Ben Grubbs than Ray Rice at Wednesday's press conference. Owner Steve Bisciotti and GM Ozzie Newsome "could make no guarantees" about Grubbs, saying they like him as a player but he's not necessarily a part of their future."

Ryan H. Ben Grubbs would be a huge addition to the front line. He would definitely help shore things up on our shaky offensive line . I know the contract of Tyvon Branch is set to expire. He would be an awesome addition to the secondary, but adding him could just be a dream of mine.

Jack C. I go receiver. From what I know, Colts Reggie Wayne and Pierre Garcon are free agents, and with the turmoil in Indianapolis, it seems very likely they will go elsewhere. There's also Mario Manningham, Brandon Lloyd, and Robert Meachem on the market. I understand that players like Wes Welker or other stars won't be signed by Cincinnati and that even this short list is a long shot, but I'd be thrilled if we addressed out problems at receiver through free agency. Also, I'm all in on signing Ben Grubbs.

Brennen W. I like Reggie Wayne a lot too. Jordan Shipley is the most experienced receiver signed to the team in 2012, so bringing in an aging, elite receiver that can mentor AJ Green is both realistic and helpful.

Jason G. All good choices but I'm still going to stick with running back. Bringing in a guy like Michael Bush, Ryan Grant, BenJarvus Green-Ellis or Jason Snelling, even if the Bengals draft a running back, could really help the offense. I think it's obvious that Benson's not coming back and I'm not sold that Scott is going to do much better either.

Jack C. Benjarvus Green-Ellis would be a great signing. He never fumbles!--something you'd never say about Benson.

Ryan H. I would prefer Michael Bush or BenJarvus Green-Ellis from the group of running backs you mentioned. Both would give the Bengals a legitimate running threat.

Brennen W. I'm actually not a fan of either BenJarvus Green-Ellis or Michael Bush. BJGE doesn't seem like a feature back to me, and Michael Bush really wore down as the season went on. On a side note, I'd take Laron Landry in a dream world. It's hard for me personally to try and be realistic with potential free agent signings, especially when we have so much cap room!

Jason G. One guy that might be available is Carlos Rodgers from the 49ers. The Niners may re-sign him but I've heard rumors that they may let him test the free agency waters and promote his backup.

It's sounding more and more like the closest NFL team to the Bengals geographically, the Indianapolis Colts, are going to be moving forward without Peyton Manning, who has single handedly made them one of the best teams in the league for the last decade and a half. I want to hear your thoughts on the subject.

Brennen W. First, let me vent a bit: Colts fans are so lucky. They had 10+ years of Superbowl-contender seasons, then they have one bad season, and then the best prospect since Peyton Manning himself drops into their lap. Anyway, to answer your question, Peyton does have a gigantic contract due if he stays in Indy, and no one really knows if he'll ever be able to play again. I'm sad that Peyton's career is possibly over, but I think it's fair if the Colts simply want to move in another direction.

Jack C. Peyton Manning very well may be the best quarterback who has ever played the game. From a professional standpoint, moving forward without Manning does make sense for the Colts, especially the more you hear about the potential of Andrew Luck and the extent of Manning's injury. With a rebuilding process about to start, Andrew Luck just makes more sense than 35 year old Peyton Manning. That being said, Manning has given his heart and soul to that organization for well over a decade. I do not remember the last time the Colts didn't have Peyton Manning and were relevant. I DO remember the Colts seemingly starting every season 9-0 since 2002, being an offensive juggernaut and winning a Super Bowl in that time as well. Moving forward without Manning makes sense, but it just seems wrong.

Ryan H. Well if it truly is the end of Peyton Manning in Indy then I'm a bit sad to see it happen. While I'm not a fan of the Colts, I do admire Manning for the way he plays the game and conducts himself on and off the field. He plays the game the way it should be played and he's been the face of that franchise for 15 years. It's hard to picture anyone else being under center other than Manning. I can't picture Manning suiting up for any other team as well. But at some point the journey has to come to an end, it's disappointing that it had to be this way, but I don't see the Colts keeping his contract around.

Jason G. I'll have to agree with Jack. From a business standpoint, and football is a business, moving on from Peyton, considering the severity of his injury, makes sense. However, considering what he's given them in his career, it does just seem wrong to me. I hope Manning's career isn't over. I hope that if he is done with the Colts, he can sign somewhere else and make another city very happy. We'll have to wait and see, though.

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Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs is priority 1. After that I’d like to see BenJarvus Green-Ellis if he’s not too expensive. That doesn’t mean we can’t take a RB in the draft, but it lets us feel comfortable taking a chance on a 3rd or 4th round guy that might not be a full time back this year.

As for Peyton.. what an amazing man. Sad to see him go, but with his chances of ever playing again still unknown the team can’t be expected to pay him again. From every standpoint other than heart it makes no sense at all to keep him. I do hope he comes back, but if he doesn’t I agree with others who have said he’d probably make a great QB coach. His ability to read defenses and make the right audible for the situation is purely knowledge. His arm was good, but his knowledge and observation skills are what made him so great. Those are things that can be taught.

by indesignkat on Feb 1, 2012 6:43 PM EST reply actions  

+1

well said…Peyton was the standard that I compared ever QB to..He is the best of MY generation…I hope he plays again…

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Feb 1, 2012 8:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Nerve damage. Manning should call it a day. Hes got his ring and money

He will make a great coach some day. Hopefully he shopping an idea of qb coach rite now. If they pick luck he can save himself alot of drama and talk about coaching now

by njbengalstat on Feb 1, 2012 6:56 PM EST reply actions  

I dont think he mentally can leave the game. He enjoys being around the nfl and being the nfl

Hes the best qb ive ever seen He commands the line like a general. And there is noone who can do a “No huddle” like he can. So If somehow he comes back playin thats awesome. Only his doctor and him know whats goin on

by njbengalstat on Feb 2, 2012 7:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think Andrew Luck would sit out a year......

I mean he has the ability to push his weight around and does he really want to play for the Colts. The Colts will have no playmakers on the team when Garcon and Wayne leave. Peyton Manning kept that ship afloat. There is no talent there. Andrew Luck will get drafted and be on a team with zero help. He could hold out for maybe San Fran or a better option.

Bengals are the worst team in the NFL for the past TWO decades!

by Hallo104 on Feb 1, 2012 7:07 PM EST reply actions  

hold on

I hear you..right now it looks pretty desperate…They have a whole new GM and coaching staff…I think they will try to shake things up…But I hear you…if they dont…wow..and your gambling on a rookie to be at least as good as Dalton…risky…very risky..but great parity for the league

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Feb 1, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

can the colts afford a 28 mil manning

and 1st over all money to luck and still build a competitive team?

by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 2, 2012 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

From everything I have heard/read

Manning and Luck would not be a good fit. Archie Manning has come out and said that Peyton will not accept it. How true this is, I don’t know. Plus, you are looking at over what $50 million being tied in the QB position alone, especially when they have FA they want to re-sign, and a lot of holes on the team they need to fill. We saw how bad the Colts are without Peyton running that offense. A further plus, is that there are 3 sources out there now saying Peyton may not ever play again, or at least this upcoming year. Apparently, he is still having nerve issues from his operation, and does not have full feeling yet in his hands/arms(?)…

Alas, yet another plus, with a new Head Coach and a New General Manager would they not want to sever their ties to the past and just start fresh with Andrew Luck? However, we are talking about Peyton, and if you have a chance at having back and him being productive, why wouldn’t you keep Peyton. I don’t know…I don’t think I answered your question, maybe just added more confusion to it, sorry…

by pemci on Feb 2, 2012 11:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Wilder things have happened

I don’t see Manning in Indy but I don’t see him retiring either. It’ll be like Montana going to KC. It’ll be weird to see but it’s inevitable.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 2, 2012 3:18 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Grubbs

was murdered by the Patriots in the playoff game. It really soured me on him. It wasn’t even Wilfork every play. Brandon Deadrick kicked his ass also. I know that was just one game, but JJ Watt showed him up the week before. I’ll take him and of course he’d be an upgrade, but for how much money? 6 years $40 million, $16-18 guaranteed seems about right.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 7:15 PM EST via Android app reply actions  

Also...

While teams are fighting over Carl Nicks (Nnamdi Asomugha) we could quietly negotiate with Ben Grubbs (Jonathan Joseph) and get him cheaper. See what I’m saying?

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 8:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Good way of putting it.

But I hope they are one of the teams that fights for Nicks. Nobody evers murders him. Actually, Watt was on ESPN radio a couple weeks ago and said he was the toughest player he has played against this year.

by EPK1979 on Feb 1, 2012 9:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

if it comes down to resigning 5-10 of our FAs or signing grubbs

i’ll take collins, williams, nelson, simms, rucker, fanene, etc back and be happy with a rookie guard being drafted in the first few rounds instead.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 1, 2012 8:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Rookie battle with Boling for starting spot?

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 8:55 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

alexander is never going to move smith to guard

wish he would, allows collins to rt. and you only need to plug 1 guard spot with bobbie williams (resigned in the package of players above). allows the rookie time to learn so he doesn’t have to start every game in 2012.

since we know that won’t happen (the collins/smith move). would have to start the rookie in the other guard spot on the line.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 1, 2012 9:59 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m willing to bet that Alexander cannot make the decision to move Andre to Guard. That’s up to MB and Marvin and I bet MB will not do it.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 1, 2012 10:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

alexander actually has an interesting title

Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Line.

not sure who makes the call on his depth chart. the extra title (which he’s before marvin come to cincy) could suggest the o-line is his domain to command.

i’d truly love to know which one of those two is making the collins, smith, and mathis calls.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 1, 2012 10:16 PM EST up reply actions  

a position coach can't even decide who plays the positions he coaches?

even when he’s the assistant head coach?

Like many others have said, someone needs to accept the failure of losing Mathis and leaving Collins on the bench. Whoever it is should be ashamed.

by indesignkat on Feb 1, 2012 11:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Marvin wasn’t allowed to hire or fire his own own coaching staff until recently. This is the Bengals we’re talking about.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 2, 2012 5:30 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

i've never heard of one complaint from any former coach in cincy

about mike brown dictating starters to the coaching staff.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 2, 2012 7:47 AM EST up reply actions  

me either

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 2, 2012 9:20 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

ravens have been scouting college guards

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 1, 2012 8:32 PM EST reply actions  

The ravens are also looking at hightower from Alabama

They always use a ton of picks for LBs..and we know Ray getting older

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Feb 1, 2012 8:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Cortland Finnegan, Michael Bush, Donald Driver...

I realize all of them are unrealistic but a combination or at least one isn’t

by Manpaw on Feb 1, 2012 8:59 PM EST reply actions  

The more I watch him

The more I like Tyvon Branch. I think he would be a good signing at a position of need.

by EPK1979 on Feb 1, 2012 9:15 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Plus, if we can get Rod Woodson to be DB coach's...

He would already be familiar with him, and we would not have to spend a draft pick on that position this year, and would allow us to hopefully focus on Baccari Rambo next year. :)

by pemci on Feb 2, 2012 9:51 AM EST up reply actions  

dangit we have to get rambo

we already missed on john conner

by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 2, 2012 10:31 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

One of the funniest things of all time

this is up there with the best…..wow…lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qv7k2_lc0M

"In a battle between patience and power, patience always wins"

by ticalcaldwell on Feb 1, 2012 9:49 PM EST reply actions  

Of the players listed:

Jason Snelling really stood out for me. He has excelled in his few opportunities with the Falcons in running the ball, and he can catch out of the backfield. Plus, he might be inexpensive, something that Michael Bush would not be. Of course, I would still want to draft a RB, but I would not be too upset with Snelling…

As for a WR, I would love to have Reggie Wayne and have him mentor our young guns.

As for grabbing Grubbs, it can be a two-edged sword, per se, yes, he might want to stick it to the ratbirds twice a year, but Baltimore will also know how to deal with him and neutralize him.

by pemci on Feb 2, 2012 9:43 AM EST reply actions  

Nicks or Grubbs in FA is a must, cause DeCastro won't be there @ 17.

If Richardson’s not available…………

1.Janoris Jenkins
2.Lamar Miller
3.Six foot four "sure handed" …Alshon Jeffrey (#2 rec.)

OR if Richardson’s there at 17.

1.Trent Richardson
2.Janoris Jenkins
3.Alshon Jeffrey (opposite A.J.).

"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"

Maximus*

by gratefulmax on Feb 2, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

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