Chad Ochocinco On A.J. Green And Getting On The Same Page With Tom Brady
by Jason Garrison on Feb 1, 2012 9:00 PM EST
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PrintChad Ochocinco is the Cincinnati Bengals' all-time leading receiver, both in total yards (10,783) and touchdowns (66). His antics and touchdown dances helped bring the Bengals to a wider audience and he was by far a fan favorite. After the 2008 season, though, things went down hill when it came to Chad's relationship with the team. He demanded a trade before the disastrous 2008 season and things have never really been the same.
So, it came as no surprise when the Bengals traded him to the Patriots after they drafted new No. 1 receiver A.J. Green. Many Bengals fans were happy to see Chad go, some were sad. Either way, Chad's now going to be playing for a Super Bowl ring on Sunday, but that hasn't stopped him for thinking about his old team.
During the Patriots' media day, Chad commented about how good of a year Green had as the new Bengals No. 1 receiver.
"What he did this year was no surprise," said Ochocinco of Green. "He's still raw. That's the scary part. He's still raw, but he's a great talent and he's only going to get better. Especially the tools he has, he's only going to get better as time goes on. You don't drop off."
Ochocinco has struggled this season. Many thought that he would have a great season moving from the Bengals' struggling offense to the high powered offense run by Tom Brady in New England. That wasn't the case, though. Chad had a career low 276 yards during the season with only one touchdown. He struggled to be on the same page as Brady and he knows it.
"There was a time when Carson (Palmer) could drop back and throw the ball with his eyes closed and he would know where I would be. I need to be on that page with Brady and right now it hasn't happened," he said.
If Chad can some how connect with Brady and play the way he's capable, he could definitely help the Patriots win Super Bowl XLVI, especially since Rob Gronkowski, the team's best receiver, could sit out, or at least be limited, with an ankle injury.
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I'm sure Ocho's loving the attention he's getting
I think it would be pretty fitting if he finally got that ring after all these years.
I just hope he's humble if they win
I have nothing against Chad but if they win and he throws it anyone’s that he got a ring after such a poor season individually it would rub me the wrong way
I hope he doesnt get a TD,then make a ass out of himself,after not acting that way all season
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
LMAO,Carson probably wouldnt say the same
Chad went from hero to zero
I’d still like to see him have a big game,or even just participate
It’s clear to me,that NE just brought him in for depth,after they went through the Wes Welker injury torwards the
playoff’s.So he has done his job,i like him more now that he is gone.The OCHO years were very exhausting for me
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Your probably right,on the money
But after they seen early on,that this guy isnt going to work
Rather than throwing him out like Hainsworth,they just let him sit on the bench for just in caes purposes
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
chad is heading towards free agency or a pay cut in 2012. or both.
no way will the pats continue to pay chad like they are:
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I don't care if anyone says I'm dumb or anything of the sort, I think I'd be on board for that.
Provided he was cheap and that he shows some sort of evidence that he’s actually changed. He made mistakes when he was here, but I think the disrespect for Marvin is overblown; he recently said (without being asked about Marvin, by the way) how Marvin was like a father to him, how he was important to him, etc. I think he’s humbled now, and the locker room is now strong enough to keep him in check.
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If he isnt good enough to be a number 2 there,he isnt here either
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Two things...
First of all, he was doomed to fail in NE because he just couldn’t grasp their system. They could make Baby Hawk or Whalen look great in NE because their system is that good, but a guy like Chad just isn’t the type of player to run that playbook successfully. Second, he really IS good enough to be our #2. Sure, the team is good now, but a hole is a hole and one of our holes is WR.
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You pulled that excuse outa your a.. for sure
I dont ever want any player at any position,that"CANT GRASP A SYSTEM"
thats the dumbest thing that could ever be said about a player
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
We are quick to give excuses year after year to Jerome Simpson
but nobody points out that Chad didn’t have an offseason to develop with Brady?
hypocrisy?
what are you on about?
I guess I missed the threads where people were going on about Chad.
Go Reds!
(and gooooo krogering)
he's saying people defend simpson's lack of production
by claiming simpson didn’t have a full preseason. while chad went to a new team and had to learn a new playbook in the same time frame. yet, people here aren’t giving chad the same leeway as they give simpson.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
From my understanding,it isnt that hard
Everything i have heard,has been more a lack of intelligence.Chris Carter says there isnt a playbook ever created that takes more than a few weeks to learn.I believe its more a choice not to have Chad on the field,rather than 18 games
in,and still cant grasp the offense.
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
it's not the playbook
A QB and WR have to get used to playing with each other. The QB learns what the WR does after his route to get open, how sharp he makes his cuts, how fast he goes down the field, whether he’ll fight to make the catch or if it has to hit him in the hands, etc. The WR learns when the QB throws in the route, how quickly the ball gets there, what kind of arc it has, what the QB expects vs bump and run or deep cushion, etc.. The QB and WR develop a working relationship where one knows what the other is doing and where they’re going to be or where the ball will be at x steps into the route. They each learn what the other expects when a play breaks down.
Chad hasn’t had that yet with Brady. Furthermore, he’s spent the last few years with a QB who didn’t know the first thing about reading a defense or going through a target progression. In Cincinnati Chad knew whether the ball was coming his way on almost every snap. This is his first year playing in a proper system where the QB has the balls to stand in the pocket and read the field.
I think Chad comes back next year and, with a preseason to develop with Brady, becomes a solid #2.
Everyone understands the QB WR relationship
I wonder how come AJ and AD didnt take 2 years to get on the same page,what you say makes sense,
OCHO is a veteran receiver,that excuse doesnt work here.
I think we all know about the pocket,and theres been a huge fukn hole in it for several years,and as far as
Carson not reading the field you couldnt be more wrong,he is one of maybe 10-15 guys in the league that
can handle that responsibility
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
yes, that's what I read
What I said is that I don’t remember seeing “people here (not) giving chad the same leeway as they gave simpson” and I must have missed the threads.
Go Reds!
(and gooooo krogering)
and, frankly
I don’t recall any serious discussion on Simpson numbers being related to not having a preseason. But, as I said, I might have missed some threads.
Go Reds!
(and gooooo krogering)
Simpson's lack of playing time for a few years has nothing to do with preseason
and I didn’t insinuate it did.
i don't suggest the pats are done with chad unless he takes a cut
because he didn’t learn their system quick enough. i suggested it because he’s caused more ints for brady this season than had TDs. he’s not running the routes which they need him to in NE. he’s found himself deactivated at times. his time on the field per game has dropped. he’s slid on the depth chart since the start of the season behind Tiquan Underwood and Julian Edelman. he’s scheduled to make 3 million base in 2012 plus a roster bonus of 1.5 million.
do you really believe the pats are going to pay their #4 wr 4.5 million in 2012? chad also turns 35 next season.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Chad was a insurance policy
No one ever said Chad caused Carson int’s,even though it was more than obvious
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
i never brought up carson and chad
my statements about chad getting brady picked comes from the admission one of the ints chad screwed up and the other one is documented. where there more than that? possibly, would be speculation on my part. i only know of the 2.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I was just saying,Palmer took all the heat,for the same scenario here in Cincy
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
pats dont run a playground system of you run where you want and i'll chuck the ball up.
pats run a route oriented offense (as does most of the nfl). another reason i suspect chad will not make the hall of fame. seeing how he’s going to need 13500+ yards to get the sports writers on board for him. chad needs 2500 yards as he approaches 35. chad has shown an inability to adapt to route running in new england. only the most desperate of teams will offer chad a chance at a contract. consider how quickly randy moss was forgotten once he left new england.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
agree 100%
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
This
2011 Year of the Red Rifle
Carson Palmer 2011 Comeback Player of the Year
by Throw the ball on Feb 2, 2012 9:11 AM EST up reply actions
I did
No one ever said Chad caused Carson int’s,
I certainly don’t hold Chad responsible for every single interception that Palmer threw. Palmer was quite capable of throwing plenty.
I do hold Chad responsible for being a bad route runner at times and for not being able to make the same defensive reads and adjustments that his quarterback was expecting.
Go Reds!
(and gooooo krogering)
Excuses?
Who ever gave excuses to Simpson? He’s dumb, pure and simple, with both on- and off-field evidence to support that statement.
After the postal pot thing it died down a little bit..
but there are still a lot of people on here that love to talk about how SImpson needs more time to develop. Screw that.
Just watch a interview with Simpson
Speaks for itself
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
a guy with 2 games under his belt compared to a guy with 9 years?
how do you compare that and feel good about it?
by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 2, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
a guy with years to develop with the QB vs a guy who had 0?
I don’t know how I can even sleep at night.
I usually respect your opinion
But on this Ocho thing,i think we have hit a soft spot
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I still haven't quite gotten used to seeing him in a Pats uniform.
It just doesn’t look right, man.
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Interesting.
First, let me start by saying I think Brady is a great QB. That said, I have always wondered, “how good”? Think about the year he was out. Cassel had the best year of his career. I have always wondered how much of it is Brady and how much is the system.
I wonder if this was a very politically correct way of saying “Yeah, you can all keep saying that I can’t learn the playbook, but in the past, my QB was good enough to find me”. I don’t want to put words in Chad’s mouth, but is certainly could be a little dose of reality.
how?
When he’s had a couple different OC in O’brien, Wies, and Mcdaniels?
Darth Hoodie can manipulate space.
And, according to one disgruntled Ravens kicker, time itself too.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
i used to feel dan marino was a system qb too
worked out for marino.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
did you really just say that?
Marino had the fastest release ever, could make every single throw, and was hands down the best EVER at avoiding pressure in the pocket. Hardly anyone ever talks about that, but no one before or since can hold a candle to Marino’s ability to take half a step at the last nanosecond to completely avoid a pass rusher without ever taking his eyes away from his targets downfield. Trying to sack Marino was like trying to split a marble with an ax. His o-line was pretty decent, but his ability to avoid the rushers made them look much better than they ever were.
His release
Was more responsible,than any pocket awareness
Hike,and throw was just that quick,wasnt a bunch of reads,just the guy throwing darts,wear ever he wanted
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
did you watch him?
I grew up a Dolphins fan. Marino was my hero. Even when he was playing people loved to talk about how he couldn’t move in the pocket because he didn’t run for first downs. It’s ignorance. If you watch him and pay attention, his movement in the pocket is amazing, simply unmatched. Shula and Marino have both spoken about it in interviews.
It wasnt was kept him from being sacked
What made Marino great was he got the ball out quicker than anybody ever to play the game
His pocket presence wasnt nothing more than any great pocket passer.Watch Boomer for that
matter,Marino’s quick release is what caused him not to be sacked
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I have to agree with indesignkat
When I moved to Florida from NKY, the Dolphins became my 2nd team and it was all because of Marino. It was like the man almost had a 360 degree field of view the way he sensed pressure along with the ability to get away from it. Watching Dalton has reminded me a bit of Marino at times.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 4, 2012 2:51 AM EST up reply actions
The only thing i can say
Marino got rid of the ball,rarely did you ever see him under pressure for that reason
Yes he was shifty,but the ball was already out,and thats what let him get through
whole seasons without being sacked,he had a pocket presence,but quick drop bullet timing
routes are to credit for that.Just about any game highlights you will ever find on Marino
By the time he complete’s his drop he is stepping into his pass.
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
We'll just have to agree to disagree
yes some of it was that, but the man had an amazing pocket presence and the ability to avoid pressure.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 4, 2012 3:20 PM EST up reply actions
Then Chad needs to get with the system
Turnover’s are one of,if not the biggest stat in a football game.If the system is designed for the Qb to have to take less
risks then just hunting for a guy and throwing him the ball would not be a part of that
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Bad Idea
I love Chad and have always been a big fan and supporter. Even when he was struggling. I was always pretty shocked by the amount of negative commentary directed towards him here.
That said, I don’t think it would be a wise idea. A.J. Green is a young and developing receiver (albeit a star). Pride is a big motivating factor. Bring in Chad, even as a mentor, and suddenly the momentum shifts. The situation is slightly different, but I felt like that was one of reasons Chad had a mediocre season in 2010 – two much competition between him and T.O. for the spotlight.
If Simpson is let go because of legal issues or simply his inconsistency, bring in a veteran who can mentor A.J., be a reliable number 2 and will be OK with that.
i don't see marvin taking chad back
if chad comes back to cincy, it will send a clear message that mike brown is making the personnel decisions again. marvin spent most of his time being saddled with players he didn’t want, guys like chris henry. marvin’s comments about chris around 2007, let you know that marvin wouldn’t have let chris stay on the team.
as for marvin on chad, around that same time frame, marvin took to calling chad, ocho-psycho.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
okay, it's been like three days
can we get the fricking dude in his underwear ads off the site?
They’re kinda gross and borderline nsfw. {yeah, “don’t read sport sites at work” blah blah}
Go Reds!
(and gooooo krogering)
don't think any of us are fans of the delocated ad(s)
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
"There was a time when Carson (Palmer) could drop back and throw the ball with his eyes closed and he would know where I would be."
Horsesh!t Chad. I recall watching a game when you and Carson walked off at halftime, just after you fubared a potential catch. You were jawing with Carson and luckily the camera had a great shot of Carson’s face; I could read Carson’s lips through the facemask saying “Face it, you f@#$ed up”. That might have been the game you cried at halftime, or attacked a coach, I don’t remember. It was a telling moment.
Carson often had no bloody idea where you’d be because you had no idea where you were supposed to be. Apparently nothing’s changed with Brady and the Pats.
ironically that game was prime-time game against the Patriots
Chad ran a flag instead of a post causing an interception in the red zone right before halftime, which would have put us back in the game. We were blown out in the second half.
by D-Day77 on Feb 2, 2012 7:07 PM EST via iPhone app up reply actions
Why is everybody so mad about the Carson "eyes closed" comment?
There was a time when this could be done. That window lasted for all of about two years (if that) from probably about 2005 to 2006. After that, it closed and never reopened. And yeah he pissed us off on at least a monthly (often weekly) basis thereafter.
But that doesn’t mean said point in time never existed.
Just because it wasnt a true statement
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
I said before Chad and Carson were gone that they weren't that good and they would fail at their new stops.
Chad and Carson were a flash in the pan. They had two prolific years and the rest have were inconsistent. The stuff they do doesn’t fly on championship caliber teams. That is why they never won anything and that is why they aren’t good elsewhere. When Chad was all about work and being great I loved him. Then he became all about attention, and I believe Brown kept him around for free advertisement. Chad is not the same person he was in 05 & 06, and I don’t want him anywhere near A. J. Green. Marvin never could control big egos anyway.
by D-Day77 on Feb 2, 2012 7:00 PM EST via iPhone app reply actions
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