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The Draftees We're Not Talking About

Two things I keep reading from our CJ posters are: (1) They have to draft for value, and (2) They have to draft a _____ (fill in the blank) in the first. Sorry guys, you can't necessarily have it both ways. If two or even three corners are gone by the time the Bengals pick at #17, there might be better value at other positions. If DeCastro is gone, then there isn't a whole lot of value in picking a guard in the first round either (I'm not real enthusiastic about Cordy Glenn). If Richardson is gone, there's not a whole lot of value in picking a running back in the first round (though you could make an argument for Lamar Miller).

So who are the other guys that might be a good value at other positions in the first? Here's a couple more draftees that might make sense if they fall to us in the draft.

Courtney Upshaw (DE/OLB - Alabama) - Upshaw is projected as more of a 3-4 outside linebacker, but he has the size (6'2, 275) to play DE. He was one of the stars of Alabama's National Championship team. And, as we've seen with recent stars like Geno Atkins and Elvis Dumerville, you don't have to be 6-5, 285 lbs to be a good pass rusher in the NFL. Video: vs. LSU

Melvin Ingram (DE - South Carolina) - If Ingram is on the board, he'd be hard to pass on. He dominated the Senior Bowl and though he doesn't have the prototypical build (like Upshaw) for a DE (6'2, 275) he has elite explosiveness off the edge. I've seen him mocked anywhere between pick 8-16. He'd be a great value at 17 and could provide the consistent pass rush opposite of Dunlap. Video: vs. Nebraska

Devon Still (DT - Penn St.) - Still and Brockers (not listed) are considered the best DTs of the class. Still is a powerful disruptive force with the speed to break up plays in the backfield. He's also a versatile player who can play a 4-3 NT or the 3 technique. Video: vs. Illinois.

Luke Kuechly (ILB - Boston College) - Keuchly is sort of the anti-Maualuga, (or think of him as younger, better play making version of Dhani Jones). He's a smart player with elite instincts who always finds himself in the right spot to make a tackle or a play on the ball. Though I don't think the Bengals will be ready to move on from Maualuga yet, it might not be a bad idea to start thinking about it. Highlight Video. (I couldn't find a game video of Kuechly).

Kendall Wright - (WR - Baylor) - He's the only offensive player I'm listing here, but I included him because I think he'd be a great fit for the offense. He helped make RG3 a top QB prospect in this class because of his blazing speed and ability to make difficult catches in traffic (he's drawn comparisons to Mike Wallace). He's projected to go somewhere in the middle of the first round. What would make him a great value for the Bengals is the complimentary skills he would bring as a #2 receiver next to AJ Green. Video: vs. Washington.

Whitney Mercilus (DE - Illinois) - Mercilus (a kickass name cause it sounds like Mercy-less) lead the nation in sacks, forced fumbles and came up with almost 20 tackles for loss last year. He's a great edge rusher who has the speed to chase down RBs and get after the QB. He's projected to go somewhere in the 15-30 range of the draft and would be a great compliment to Dunlap on the other side. Video: vs. Ohio St.

I left some players out to keep this short, but this is a good start to the conversation.


If one of the guys I listed above were still around at 17 (some of them will be), they might prove to be a better value than reaching for a position of need.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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no way upshaw drops out of the top 15.

he’ll get drafted between 8 and 15

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 12, 2012 4:23 PM EST reply actions  

true.

He’s the least likely player to fall to 17 in the draft, but stranger things have happened. I’ve seen him mocked at 16 to the Jets, which is why I included him.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 12, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

I Love Kendall Wright as a player.

I think he is going to be a star. He does everything you can ask for and is the most explosive WR in the draft. If we sign a reciever in FA, I dont think they pull the trigger. If they dont he would be a player that I would be excited about getting.

by EPK1979 on Feb 12, 2012 5:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

A lot of teams are going to wait to see what he does at the combine.

If he proves to be as fast as his tape, he could really be a game changer.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 12, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

He reminds me of Santonio Holmes

I think he’ll be good. He’s fast & can get open quick to create space away from the cb.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
SS-Laron Landry
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 12, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Santonio Holmes without the on and off field issues...

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 13, 2012 12:18 AM EST up reply actions  

With the 21st pick...

I would love to see Kendall Wright. I think the red rifle wouldnt mind it either! You couldnt double A.J. anymore. I think it could really open things up for us. I cant wait to see what happens.

by bengal4life68 on Feb 12, 2012 5:38 PM EST reply actions  

texans fans might be upset with that

appears the texans are leaning towards grabbing a 1st round WR

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 12, 2012 5:46 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he will blow scouts at the combine away

I have read quite a few draft sites higher on him than even Blackmon but Blackmon has the prototypical size that most 1st rounders have, Wright doesnt. Also, most see Wright as strictly a slot guy even though he played mostly on the outside at Baylor.

by EPK1979 on Feb 13, 2012 12:09 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

The thing is, there could be two or even three CBs gone and there would still be guys who are good picks.

Claiborne will be gone in the top 5, and I fully expect Kirkpatrick to be gone before 17. That leaves Gilmore and Jenkins on the board, and both are worth the pick. We’re lucky because we really, REALLY need a CB and this is a very good CB class.

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by sexsalad on Feb 12, 2012 6:26 PM EST reply actions  

I'm not trying to rag on drafting a CB

If Gilmore is there at 17 or 21, I think that would be a great pick. I don’t see Jenkins as being much of a professional football player (emphasis on the professional). He’s a talented player, but to draft him at 17 he’d have to convince me that his head is in the right place.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 12, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Gilmore

Two weeks ago nobody was talking about Gilmore as a 1st rounder. Nothing has changed except the fact that Dennard didn’t impress at the senior bowl (got hurt also). So now poeple are desperately trying to find another 1st round talent CB. I don’t see it and I seriously think we’d be reaching for him in the 1st. I have no prob with grabbing Kirkpatrick with our 17th or Dennard, Jenkins, Minnifield with our 21st.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Feb 12, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Also...

I know that most people (myself included) want a #2 receiver with speed, but Alshon Jeffery would also be intriguing if he was there. He’s a little slow for the position, but he’s massive, has a great vertical and has good hands. He isn’t going to run by people, but he can stretch the field with his ability to go up and get the ball.

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by sexsalad on Feb 12, 2012 6:34 PM EST reply actions  

sounds like a.j green light

I actually like the idea of having a guy bring something different to the table, Kendal Wright would be an interesting pick in that situation

by The Dealio on Feb 13, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I think he's been compared to Plaxico Burress more.

Sort of slow, but physically dominant. I’m just not sure he brings much to the table that we don’t already have in Gresham/Green.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 13, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions  

This

Plax minus the off-field issues is the biggest comparison for Jeffery.

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by sexsalad on Feb 13, 2012 6:22 PM EST up reply actions  

Dont'a Hightower

This guy could be a surprise pick if Marvin decides he’s had it with Maulauga’s shananigans and subpar play.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Feb 12, 2012 8:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

I'd take Burfict over any other LB.

He needs to gain some smarts though but he’s very physical and guys have trouble blocking him when he goes to stop the run.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
SS-Laron Landry
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 12, 2012 9:05 PM EST up reply actions  

We don't need another character concern guy

The guy seems like he could kill a guy ON the field.

What do you do when there's no way out? Find a way to get deeper in it.

by jimbasa on Feb 12, 2012 9:19 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

No thanks.

Great athletic ability, but I don’t think we quite have the coaching and locker room to reel him in. And even if someone calms him down I get the feeling that he’s really, really dumb.

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by sexsalad on Feb 12, 2012 10:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Reminds me of another Thurman......

high ceiling talent wise, but no brains to back it up.

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche

by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 13, 2012 8:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Moving on from Mauluga

By drafting a MLB, we ar enot necessarily moving on from Mauluga, nut we at least need insurance, if he is suspended, and he has a history of ankle problems. Mauluga has also played some SLB, so if we drafted an MLB, we could let Lawson walk and move Rey to the SLB instead.

It must be inordinately taxing to be such a boob. ~ The Brain

by jim0ijk on Feb 12, 2012 11:17 PM EST reply actions  

i'd really like to resign lawson

we’ll have to see what happens in free agency with manny to get an idea of where the bengals are going with their draft.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 13, 2012 6:17 AM EST up reply actions  

this team is not going to draft a lb in the first round...

I’m not sure we’ll draft one at all, even if Rey gets a two game suspension that will just give us an opportunity to look at Muckleroy or whoever else we have in the wings.

DE is a real possibility however. Any of those guys would be welcome additions to the line.

by The Dealio on Feb 13, 2012 1:56 PM EST reply actions  

Muck may or may not be the same player after his achilles injury

Manny Lawson is a free agent. Moch couldn’t get on the field last year – who knows what he brings to the table. Howard only has a year left on his contract. Rivers has been out of football for a year and they didn’t even think enough of him to activate him when he was healthy. And Maualuga is going to get a suspension. That’s not exactly a stable position group right now.

That said, I don’t really think they’ll be looking to draft a LB in the first, but I wouldn’t be surprised if LB was a position they draft in round 1 or 2 next year.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 13, 2012 2:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok...

So I just checked and Rey is a FA in 2013… which makes drafting an ILB a little more interesting. But still, we have Muck, Rivers, Vincent Rey, Skuta, etc all who showed they could play a little bit in 2012. Also, I think Rey has done well enough to earn another year or two at the position (two year extension) while we fill other holes on this team

by The Dealio on Feb 13, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the premise,

there is no position on the team that we should not upgrade if we can. If Luck drops to 17, I say we take him. You always want your first round pick to come in and make an impact. So if no starting quality players are available at a position of need, then upgrade whatever you can. That being said, If the best available player at a position of need is projected to be gone before your next pick, you jump, even if it IS a stretch.

by keithster on Feb 13, 2012 6:39 PM EST reply actions  

You have to arrange your draft board with needs in mind

CBs will be valued slightly higher because there’s a big need at that position.

So if there’s a CB and a DE who both have similar grades (maybe even if the DE is is slightly higher), you take the CB. But if have a DE who is graded significantly higher than the CB I think you have go with the DE. If you stretch for need, I think it has to be very slight.

I’d probably take Gilmore if he’s there at 21 even though that might be a slight reach, but not if a player like Melvin Ingram is still on the board.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 13, 2012 8:14 PM EST up reply actions  

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