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CBSSports.com's Paul Dehner Says Bengals Shouldn't Re-Sign Bobbie Williams; We Disagree

As Paul Dehner went through each Bengals free agent, saying which ones they should re-sign and which ones they should let walk, he was saying the same thing we've said before -- until he said Bobbie Williams should be one of the players that shouldn't be re-signed.

RG Bobbie Williams has been a fixture on the offensive line for the Bengals with 120 starts in Cincinnati. But he's 35 and his age has started to show. He also fractured his ankle and missed the final three games. If the draft and free agency don't offer a guard the team likes the Bengals may offer Williams a one-year deal, but they'd prefer to go younger. Verdict: Go.

I personally think that Dehner couldn't be more wrong. Here's why:

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When you don't count the team's unrestricted free agents, the Bengals have the following guards on the roster: Clint Boling and Otis Hudson. The Bengals are predicted to select a guard at some point in the upcoming draft, so let's say that Boling, Hudson and Drafted Player X are on the roster.

Boling may improve between his rookie and sophomore seasons, earning a spot as a starter, but his grade of -6.8 on Pro Football Focus in his 177 snaps (-1.7 pass blocking, -3.9 run blocking) would likely suggest otherwise. Without re-signing Williams, you leave the Bengals in a position starting a rookie along with Boling or Hudson, who literally has no experience whatsoever.

Now, if the Bengals sign a guy like Carl Nicks or Ben Grubbs in free agency, I can understand the Bengals not re-signing Williams. That way, Nicks/Grubbs could start alongside a rookie, and that would probably be okay. However, if they don't land Nicks or Grubbs, they need Williams back and badly.

Despite his age, Williams was by far the team's best guard in 2011. He played from Week 4 when he came back from suspension to Week 14, when he broke his ankle against the Texans. In that time period, Williams took 575 snaps, had a 1.8 run blocking score (the highest of any guard on the team) and a 0.9 pass blocking score (also the highest of any guard on the team) for an overall grade of 1.9 (again, the highest). He may be older than the other guys but there's no question that he's also better.

The Bengals would be foolish to sigh him to a multi-year deal but they'd also be foolish to let him walk away, putting them in a position where they would have to land a guard that everybody is going to be going after in free agency or starting two players will a combined little to no experience.

Guard is a big area of need, with or without Bobbie Williams on the team. However, with Williams between Kyle Cook and Andre Smith in 2012, the need is lessened. I would rank the need to re-sign Williams right up there with guys like Mike Nugent, Reggie Nelson and Manny Lawson.

What do you think?

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It's hard for me to decide on Bobbie..

If we re-signed him i wouldn’t be mad and if we let him go i wouldn’t be mad….He’s showed his age and a couple of times last year i seen him get driven back and knocked on his ass. but other times he did alright, But i like him because he’s a motivational guy and he’s been with us through the good and the bad.

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1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
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by Bengal4ever on Feb 13, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

To me this is an easy question

If that nasty injury he had will prevent him from playing next year, or if he won’t be the run blocker he was, then let him go. If he looks like he’ll come back and be the run blocker he was, you’d be insane to let him go.

by indesignkat on Feb 13, 2012 6:45 PM EST reply actions  

Dehner is correct that we probably would like to go younger, but

Bobbie is a keeper until he can’t play anymore. Great locker room guy, who you want around to show the younger guys the ropes.

by keithster on Feb 13, 2012 6:57 PM EST reply actions  

I keep Bobbie,if he is healthy enough to play

My hope is that we grab a top notch free agent,and draft a high level gaurd
Have Bobbie and Boling to backup or compete ror a starting job if the rookie isnt ready to go day 1

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Feb 13, 2012 7:08 PM EST reply actions  

only resign him if he is cheap and willing to be a back up.

No question Bobbie has been a solid starter since he has been here, but I have a feeling he isn’t going to be the same player he use to be.

But if he is willing to be a back up, then I wouldn’t mind resigning him because of the leadership he brings to the table.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 13, 2012 7:12 PM EST reply actions  

+1

I’ve always liked him and I think he’d be good to have around for the young guys.

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

backup to who?

Unless he’s TREMENDOUSLY worse than he was this year, he’s FAR better run blocker than anyone else on the team. Who is he going to back up?

by indesignkat on Feb 13, 2012 9:29 PM EST up reply actions  

there are a whole list we could go down and have him back up.

Nicks, Evan Mathis, Glenn, and Decastro… etc etc etc

We can easily upgrade from Bobbie. We have the money and resources to replace bobbie. I would like to keep him for leadership and in case of an injury. Bobbie isn’t the player he use to be.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 13, 2012 9:36 PM EST up reply actions  

you really think Evan Mathis would come back?

I would love for the Bengals to sign Carl Nicks. Unless that happens, or they get Grubbs, we need a veteran G who can run block. Even if we drafted DeCastro and Glenn I would still want at least one veteran that can show them how it’s done until (if ever) they’re ready. Draft picks aren’t solutions, they’re just potential. Talk to Luigs about potential.

Unless one of the top 2 guards in free agency becomes a Bengal, Bobbie is the only good veteran G we have.

by indesignkat on Feb 13, 2012 10:14 PM EST up reply actions  

there is a possibility and we will have the money to make it interesting

i get draft picks are potential, but sooner rather than later, we will have to address the OG situation thinking long term. I think bobbie will be a good back up and maybe a starter as a worst case scenario.

Do you think Mathis left in bad terms or he just went for more money and a starting opportunity?

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 13, 2012 10:36 PM EST up reply actions  

According to Mathis's tweets, he left on pretty bad terms, it wasn't the money.

He wanted to start (which all CJ readers would agree) but Paul Alexander thought Livings was better. On his way out, Mathis tweeted something along the lines of “This is why the Bengals will never be a winning organization” or something like that. I don’t think he’d come back even if we gave him Nicks money.

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 13, 2012 11:03 PM EST up reply actions  

exactly

why would he come back to the Bengals? He sat behind a guy that doesn’t even belong in the NFL when EVERYONE outside of the Bengals staff knew he was better. For 2 years. He finally got out and went to a team that would start him and he was awesome. Why would he even consider going back to Cincinnati?

by indesignkat on Feb 14, 2012 11:06 AM EST up reply actions  

i had a feeling he left on bad terms, it sounded like he knew he was better, but just didn't get the opportunity

but you never really know if they had burried the hachet with him. But I would like to think we would at least be able to talk to us.

But yea that sucks he left on bad terms. He would be a solid pick in FA for multiple reasons.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 11:40 AM EST up reply actions  

only way we get mathis back

brown hires someone else to talk to mathis. oh, and alexander gets fired.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 14, 2012 5:09 AM EST up reply actions  

A lot depends on Bobbie

Does he want to come back?
Can he keep his weight in check?
Is he willing to work harder because he is getting older?
Will he take a backup role?
Is his ankle healded?
Will he take 1 year deal and/or less money?

If he will do the above – sign him – either as a starter or backup depending on FA and draft go.

by TX Bengal on Feb 13, 2012 7:21 PM EST reply actions  

Bobbie isn't made to be a backup.

Since there are only three backups, you usually look for versatility in them. Bobbie has been good at RG, but with his size and playing style he’s made to play RG and nothing else. I mean, I guess an exception could be made for him given the circumstances, but as far as building an efficient unit he should probably either be a starter or not be on the team.

Cincy Jungle: Where the Rocky Mountains are in the Pacific Ocean

by sexsalad on Feb 13, 2012 7:41 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with the versatility

None of our lineman really play more than one position,
If we re-sign collins we may be able to survive with 3 tackles
Carry 4 guards,and we are still in need of a backup center or someone capable of playing in case of injury

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Sign Him

We Resingn him then we gotta get a starting caliber guard in free agency and grab a quallity guard in the draft preferibly in the 3rd round. Unless DeCastro is still on the board in the 1st. Then if Bobbie truly still wants to play he will compete for his starting job with some of the younger guards and the younnger guys even compete for a starting job. This makes both of them fight harder for a job. This is all of course if bobbie is willing to take a little bit of a pay cut for a one year deal. And if he still has the capability to play at high level.

by CincinastyBungles on Feb 13, 2012 7:37 PM EST reply actions  

Unrelated

I was at the game in that picture….It was awesome

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 13, 2012 7:40 PM EST reply actions  

A Bengal fan in Heinz field

A little different than what we are accustomed to around here

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Feb 13, 2012 7:42 PM EST up reply actions  

It was definitely an experience I'll never forget

I almost got jumped multiple times but I wore my colors proudly.

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 13, 2012 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobbie should retire a Bengal

If nothing else, he’s a fantastic mentor. He has a great attitude, is a positive influence on the entire line, and even at 36, makes our other guards look like rookies.

Absolutely re-sign.

by johnson_cody_18 on Feb 13, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions  

Who's this "We," paleface?

Bobbie’s done. Been done since 2010. He did a great job for the team, but Father Time has taken his toll. Give me Nicks in FA and DeCastro or Glenn in the draft and Dalton will be able to cook Thanksgiving dinner in the pocket.

by BeerRun on Feb 13, 2012 8:29 PM EST reply actions  

Sign Bobbie to replace Paul Alexander?

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 13, 2012 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Kenneth Michael Powers

by BengalDude on Feb 13, 2012 9:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

i like that^

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 13, 2012 9:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Bobbie ,sadly has to go !!

I really like Bobbie, but he was really showing his age out there. Like to see him become our line coach someday.(Slowing down,bad ankle )
If this staff can’t find a younger better player – then we have problems with our coaching staff.We have ca chance in the draft and plenty of room and money to spend.

Kenneth Michael Powers

by BengalDude on Feb 13, 2012 9:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

bobbie's an awesome vet

why not bring him back as depth? not like we’re cash strapped. we can afford a vet min salary with incentives. let bobbie mentor some of the younger guards we bring in. let him retire a bengal. would be nice to see this organization reward a player for being a class act and team player.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 13, 2012 9:22 PM EST reply actions  

+1 BUT

No way he gets a min deal.

by keithster on Feb 13, 2012 10:08 PM EST up reply actions  

What other team is going to pony up

And at his age he would probably seattle so he didn’t have to move to another city and start over. I think he’ll take what he can get and it’s a win win.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 13, 2012 10:53 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

+1

and how do we even know if he really wants to come back in general?

I know its hard for some players to walk away, but sometimes they don’t have a choice because of their age.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 13, 2012 10:58 PM EST up reply actions  

damn straight.

and that is a call i make in the 1st hour of free agency.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd make it a simple vet deal for him

vet min + base incentives of 100k per start bonus, 500k bonus for playing in 50% of cincy’s offensive total snaps for 2012, etc. bobby ends up the starter for the majority of the season in 2012, he’ll be close to 4 million in salary. he sits on the bench all season and he makes a million.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 14, 2012 5:07 AM EST up reply actions  

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