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What To Do With $60Million Dollars



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1st thing 1st

Before The Draft Free Agency

Own Bengals Free Agents

  1. Re-sign Reggie Nelson FS 4 year-18million, 4.5million per year
  2. Re-sign Anthony Collins OT 4 year-11million 2.75million per year
  3. Re-sign Pat Sims DT 4 year-10million 2.5million per year
  4. Re-sign Jonathan Fanene DL 3 year-8million 2.67million per year
  5. Re-sign Frostee Rucker DL 3 year-7.5million 2.5million per year
  6. Re-sign Mike Nugent K 3 year-8.5million 2.83million per year

Spent:$17.75million

Available:$42.25million

NFL Free Agents Targets for Bengals

OL

  1. Carl Nicks OG: Offer 5 years 42million dollar 8.4million per year
  2. Ben Grubbs OG: Offer 5 years 38 million dollar 7.6million per year
  3. Jared Gaither OT (Secondary Offer Option) 2-3year 5-7million
  4. Chilo Rachal OG (Secondary Offer Option) 3-4 year 5-7million
  5. Oniel Cousins OG (Secondary Offer Option) 2-3 year 5million

RB

  1. Michael Bush RB:Offer 3 year 11.5million 3.83 million per year

QB

  1. Josh Johnson QB(Secondary Offer Option)2-4year 4-6million

WR

  1. Marques Colston WR: Offer 4 year 28million 7million per year
  2. Reggie Wayne WR: Offer 3 year 15million 5million per year
  3. Stevie Johnson WR: Offer 4 year 25million 6.25million per year
  4. Pierre Garcon WR (Secondary Offer Option)3-4 year 12million
  5. Early Doucet WR (Secondary Offer Option)2-4 year 4million

TE

  1. Martellus Bennett TE: Offer 4year 11million 2.75million per year
  2. Fred Davis TE (Secondary Offer Option) 2-4 year 9-12 million
  1. Mario Williams DE:Offer 5year 55million 11million per year
  2. Calais Campbell DE Offer 4 year 32million per year 8 million per year

LB

  1. Curtis Lofton LB:Offer 5year 42million 8.4million per year
  2. London Fletcher LB:Offer 3year 12million 4 million per year
  3. Kirk Morrison LB:Offer 3 year 10 million 3.3million per year
  4. Geno Hayes LB (Secondary Offer Option) 2-4year 4-6million
  5. Rocky McIntosh LB (Secondary Offer Option)2-4year 5-7million

DB

  1. Brandon Carr CB (Secondary Offer Option)
  2. Cortland Finnegan CB(Secondary Offer Option)
  3. Stanford Routt CB (Secondary Offer Option)
  4. Terrell Thomas CB:Offer 4 year 12million 3 million per year
  5. Aaron Ross CB (Secondary Offer Option)
  6. Richard Marshall CB Offer 3year 9million 3 million per year
  7. Tracy Porter CB:Offer 4 year 13million 3.25million per year

S

  1. Tyvon Branch SS (Secondary Offer Option) 2-4 year 18million
  2. LaRon Landry SS: Offer 4 year 22million 5.5million per year
  3. Michael Griffin SS: Offer 4 year 25million 6.25million per year
  4. Thomas DeCoud FS: Offer 3 year 12million 4 million per year
  5. Dwight Lowery FS: Offer 4 year 15million 3.75million per year
  6. Jarrett Bush FS (Secondary Offer Option) 2-3 year 2-3.5million
  7. Haruki Nakamura FS (Secondary Offer Option) 2-3 year 2-3.5million
  8. Corey Lynch FS (Secondary Offer Option)2-3 year 2-3.5million

Acquired

Ben Grubbs OG

Mario Williams DE

Stevie Johnson WR

Spent: $24.85million

Available:$17.4million

NFL Draft

Trade Round 1 from OAK 6th and 7th round pick+2013 1st round+3rd round to Vikings for 1st+3rd round+4th round pick

Round 1: Morris Claiborne DB LSU

Round 1: Janoris Jenkins DB North Alabama

Round 2: Brandon Thompson Clemson

Round 3: Isaiah Pead RB Cincinnati

Round 3: Marvin Jones WR California

Round 4: Janzen Jackson FS McNeese State

Round 4: Brandon Brooks OG Miami(Ohio)

Round 5: Keenan Robinson OLB Texas

Round 5: Brandon Lindsey OLB/DE Pittsburgh

Free Agency After NFL Draft

  1. Bobbie Williams OG 2 year 6-8million

What do ya Think?? What Should we do with 60million

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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Most likely not at all

The round of the comp pick is 100% based on that players salary/performance. Whether or not you get one is based on how many free agents you lost compared to how many you gained. He would either be a 3rd or not one at all. Sadly, because he’s really the only one we lost, we’ll see nothing in return.

by MattLeitner on Feb 14, 2012 7:41 AM EST up reply actions  

Great job

I like a lot of it. If we signed Williams, I dont see both Fanene and Rucker being signed. I said before I would rather use a first on Kendall Wright than sign Johnson. I would also rather sign a vet then use a draft pick on a cb.

by EPK1979 on Feb 14, 2012 12:17 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Well thought out.

In FA i’d sign

OG-Carl Nicks OR Ben Grubbs
RB-Micheal Bush
SS-Laron Landry

I like your draft except for the Jenkins pick…if we take Claiborne i think we should take Cordy Glenn instead of taking another CB…& the Thompson pick would improve our d line & Marvin Jones is a potential starter..other than the Jenkins pick i like it.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
SS-Laron Landry
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 14, 2012 12:21 AM EST reply actions  

So with this well thought out free agency and draft scenario, and with your suggestion of Glenn..

LT Whit
LG Grubbs
C. Cook
RG Glenn
RT Andre

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 14, 2012 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

No FA RB!!

Why kick one washed up RB to curb to bring in another halfway there. I hope to all that is holy that they draft a RB somewhere in the first 2 rounds. You can’t put a price on fresh legs and no NFL damage. That’s the only way we are going to ever get a Pro Bowl caliber RB because they just don’t hit FA and their team let them go.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 1:03 AM EST via Android app reply actions   1 recs

I was just offering Bush some money

i personally wouldnt want a FA RB, but if he is a cowbell who can carry the load and make opposing Defense gameplan for him every sunday its good with me

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Why not take a proven RB

instead of a RB in the draft that’s unproven & may be worse than a FA….I agree with taking a FA RB if we can’t get Richardson in the draft.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
SS-Laron Landry
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 14, 2012 2:19 PM EST up reply actions  

Exactly!

I feel like I’ve been shouting in the wind about this.

by EarthwormJim on Feb 15, 2012 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

OMG THIS!!!

We don’t want a “proven” RB because RBs in their late 20s are proven to be injury prone and slower. Bush was injury prone early in his career, so what makes us think he’d get better. If there’s one position you want to cycle through over and over, it’s running back. Don’t count on old guys to give you lots of carries. Just get a young guy with fresh legs, and put him behind a good O-line. Richardson would be by far the best option, but I’d take Lamar Miller and a free agent guard over, say, Cordy Glenn (the guard analog to Lamar Miller) and a free agent running back.

I'm throwin' rocks tonight! Mark it, Dude.

by Pardon_My_French on Feb 18, 2012 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

top answer from survey says:

1) hire some scouts!

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 14, 2012 4:57 AM EST reply actions  

+1

talking about Pro Days!!?? lol

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

Acquired
Ben Grubbs OG
Mario Williams DE
Stevie Johnson WR

There are probably 30 other teams out there, assuming the same thing….they they will get the top Free Agent (Mario), plus a stud O-Lineman and stud WR in free agency.

I’m not convinced that with all of the other teams fighting for free agents, that the best of them will end up in Cincy. Some free agents like to go to teams with big markets & winning traditions – those are going to be 2 strikes against Cincy.

I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!

by ephram on Feb 14, 2012 7:32 AM EST reply actions  

I Know what you mean,

i mean yeah i was assuming too much, but why not assume to the best team out there, why would you assume that we are in the middle of the pack, i mean havent you seen what the players said when they played the likes of the Ravens and Steelers, they said they were the better team, but they shot themselves in the foot, who wouldnt want to come to a emerging team which is a few pieces away from the Super Bowl and will be the reason why the bengals win the SB

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 12:33 PM EST up reply actions  

What about Micheal Turner

I think we should go after Lynch or Bush in FA. We need a beast at RB and both of these guys fit the bill. If we dont sign a FA RB than we have to do everything in our power to draft Richarson.

by LindemanJr on Feb 14, 2012 8:25 AM EST reply actions  

Here was my thinking

Theres a good chance of Richardson falling to the 17 and 21 slot, but since i traded the 17th pick, he might be at 21 if he is then i can switch the Jenkins pick into Trent Richardson

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

This seems so oddly familiar somehow...

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/13/2795924/offseason-plan-with-salary-cap-update-2-13-12

Signed
OT: Collins (what position for 2012?)
OG: Ben Grubbs, Bobbie Williams
WR: Stevie Johnson
DT: Sims, Fanene
DE: Mario Williams, Rucker
FS: Nelson

Drafted:
CB: 2 first rounders?!?
DT: 2nd round
RB: 3rd round clone of Bernard Scott

So this plan gives us 5 DE’s and 4 DT’s capable of starting, but no running back who can carry the starting load or a 1st round pick in 2013. Uh, I don’t think you’ve thought this through so well…

Besides, I think with so much cap room available and a full offseason to negotiate (rather than the 2 week mad-rush of last year), the contract averages are going to really boggle the mind.

by bengaljohnboy on Feb 14, 2012 10:06 AM EST reply actions  

5 DE,4 DT, 2 1st round CB, 3rd round RB

My Building Plan
If we can get a Consistent Pass Rusher aka Mario Williams on one side, the Opposing O-line will have to double him and chip him all day, which will allow the likes of Peko,Fanene,Rucker,Sims,Dunlap,Johnson,Atkins, who ever is on the line with Williams at the time, will have a better chance to help provide help for Williams as well as make the QB a quicker decision and the Opposing O-line will have their hands full up front on who to block, if we can generate a constant harass of pass rush the QB wouldnt be feeling good after the game and he wouldnt want to play us again.

Defending my Draft(i know about the Jenkins pick)
1st i would love to trade up and get Morris Claiborne out of LSU
then with the 21 pick, my only mistake was getting Jenkins, but if Richardson falls here i take him in the 1st to run behind our O-line and other than that i wouldnt change Pead because he is better that Scott and besides he has better vision than Scott too, he just need to learn how to not jump to the outside too much aka LeSean McCoy

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

can't spend that much at one position

Mario Williams will likely get a deal larger than what Julius Peppers received. That together with the contracts already on the roster and the big deals that Dunlap and Atkins will get, well that is just way to much at one position.

I also think any plan where we land two of the top free agents is off base. When has this ever happened? It’s not like we’ll be the only team with money to spend. You need to set your sights a bit lower to match the team and the free agents’ perception of the team. We’ve never landed the “big fish” nor do I think we even want to.

by bengaljohnboy on Feb 14, 2012 1:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Double Dipping Im guesin

I understand that we are going to spend a lot at the D-line Position if he get Mario Williams and all the other top tier FA

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

I'd have to agree

Mario’s contract will be closer to 80-85 million IMO. Meanwhile Nicks should go for 55-60.

by EarthwormJim on Feb 14, 2012 3:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Disagree on the Wide Receivers you picked in FA

Colston ran over 50% of his plays out of the slot, meachem would be a better #2 receiver in our system, seeing as Shipley is our slot guy.
Reggie Wayne is old and past his prime, would be overpaying for what you will get from him.
Stevie Johnson is talented, don’t get me wrong, but his attitude is a real issue, do we really want another Chad like guy here?
I do however like the thought of Pierre Garcon, I think he could be a good fit with the Bengals. My FA priorites at WR would be:
Meachem
Garcon
Doucet is a good third option

by Alexneyer on Feb 14, 2012 12:42 PM EST reply actions  

thanks for the info on Colston and Wayne

Johnson however I think can change that if he is playing next to AJ Green, just look at Jerome, people said he was a DIVA WR and yeah just look at him he kept his mouth shut when he was playing alongside with AJ Green, and Johnson will have a better system here as well, because in Buffalo he was the go to guy which he didnt have much help, i mean they ran a 4 WR set but the problem was that coverage rolled towards Johnson side a lot and i think with a young and emerging team he would just keep his mouth shut and play football

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I strongly disagree with this thinking

Just because Colston played half his snaps in the slot doesn’t mean he has to be in the slot.

by indesignkat on Feb 14, 2012 1:23 PM EST up reply actions  

and that would actually add value to our offense anyways

to have some as versatile as Colston that can move to the outside and in the slot and be just as affective would add to Andy’s game and Jays play calling. I can only imagine the formations Gruden will come up with.

I just doubt the Saints will really let him go and to leave a QB like Brees would be pretty damn tough too.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I probably should have been a little clearer.

He took 50% of his snaps from the slot, but those not out of the slot were very creative play calls from New Orleans. The issue with moving someone from a Complex offense, to a simple one is going to be similair to what happened to OchoCinco. Now, I am not saying that he will end with 15 catches for 300 yards, but I do think his production will be down from last year. I would rather go for Meachem, like I said earlier, because of his ability to play the #2 Receiver

by Alexneyer on Feb 15, 2012 10:24 AM EST up reply actions  

A guy who is one of the better receivers in the NFL vs a backup

I’d take Colston any day. I have no doubt whatsoever that he can handle being the #2 in a simple offense.

by indesignkat on Feb 15, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

It's fun to dream, isn't it? :)

If we somehow resigned our players you mentioned along with Pac, signed Mario & Nicks/Grubbs, and drafted:

DeCastro
Richardson
Gilmore

I would be estatic

by EarthwormJim on Feb 14, 2012 1:51 PM EST reply actions  

oh okay, lol sorry for mis understanding lol

but i think i should change the 21st pick to Trent Richardson right??

by Touhue Cha on Feb 14, 2012 3:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I would, yeah

Just because I can’t see them investing in 2 1st round CBs in the same year.

Just imagine what a real front office could do with this much cap space and the picks we have this year… the mind boggles.

by EarthwormJim on Feb 14, 2012 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

I was actually extremely impressed with your analysis. Very detailed and well thought out.

by EarthwormJim on Feb 14, 2012 3:09 PM EST up reply actions  

No to Landry

I read where LaRon Landry not only ruptured his Achilles, but he elected not to have surgery on it and is letting it heal itself. Unless he is willing to take a minimum contract, there is no way I sign him.

by AWC71 on Feb 15, 2012 10:48 AM EST reply actions  

I'm a little late but wow...

Where do I begin… Um, I guess with the resigns… Nelson I believe deserves a lil more. Everything else looks good but Collins I believe should get starter money and get a legitiment chance to fight Smith for the spot for 2 reasons. 1 he deserves it and 2 Smith is on his last year under contract and has not lived up to a first round pick in my opnion. Collins has out played him everytime he’s gotten a chance. Resign Manny Lawson too… Moving to free agents… If you really want Grubbs you are going to want to pay him more. Take away Mario Williams and use half of the money there…. WR, I think Steve Johnson will be resigned by the Bills. However, Meechum from the Saints will be available and will be as effective in our offense as Steve would be and will be cheaper thinking 4 years 10-14 mil… Colston will get resigned along with Brees. I’d also like to see Tracy porter or Carr but we’ll see… Your draft… Trading a 2 first round picks to get a CB??? Don’t like it, not with as deep as the draft is with CB’s and perhaps signing a CB via free agency…

"Men often become what they believe themselves to be. If I believe I cannot do something, it makes me incapable of doing it. But when I believe I can, I then acquire the ability to do it even if I didn't have it in the beginning."

by Dwight Carter on Feb 17, 2012 4:13 AM EST reply actions  

I'll tell you what I'd do, man:


120 chicks at the same time, man.

Go Reds!
(and gooooo krogering)

by supergrover on Feb 17, 2012 7:29 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

I like your aggressive thinking but what about Wallace?

I believe that the NFL is evolving into a 3 “number one” receiver league (whomever they may be – TE, RB, WR). To get the most out of AJ and Dalton, we need a serious threat opposite our stud. I vote for Wallace from the Steelers. Taking him from the already unsettled and aging offense (OC change, Roth unrest) makes the Bengals stronger and the Steelers weaker when it counts most, the 2-3 times a year they play each other (possible playoff matchup). The Steelers may get a first round draft pick out of it but it is still worth it. Without Wallace their whole offense collapses and becomes one-dimensional. They will have no ability to stretch the field and it may take years to develop a new alternative, if they can find one at all.

by NorwayMike on Feb 21, 2012 4:17 AM EST reply actions  

He has to sign the Steelers RFA tender

From what I read, a 1st round tender is about $2.7mm.

by EarthwormJim on Feb 23, 2012 11:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Wallace

Here’s my thinking in a nutshell on Wallace. The contract you have to offer him realistically for the Bengals would preclude much other impact activity in FA. As much as we’d love to get Nicks, Mario and Wallace, Mike Brown will never ever make it happen. Remember, this is not fantasy football.

So, assuming that Brown will only make one impact move, between Carl Nicks and Wallace. Then, let’s look at the 1st round of the draft. Would you rather start round 2 of the draft with the following additions:

Scenario A

FA – Carl Nicks
1a – Trent Richardson
1b – Dre Kirkpatrick


Scenario B

FA – Mike Wallace
1a – David DeCastro

Whether those actual draft picks are available to us at our picks isn’t germane to the discussion. I put the ideal picks in both scenarios for purposes of analysis.

by EarthwormJim on Feb 23, 2012 11:33 AM EST reply actions  

Using the same scenarios, look at the Steelers

this is assuming that Wallace signs their tender (obviously someone else could give him an offer)

Scenario A
FA – Mike Wallace
1 – Janoris Jenkins

Scenario B
1a – Kendall Wright
1b – Dre Kirkpatrick

by EarthwormJim on Feb 23, 2012 12:02 PM EST reply actions  

free agency

THE BENGALS ARE WELL UNDER THE CAP WHILE 75% OF THE TEAMS ARE SCRAMBLING FOR CAP ROOM, guards are off the table unless its DECASTRO, If its me, I am not drafting any cb who got busted for weed six months before he was about to get paid millions, destroying his value, and I for damn sure am not taking the guy that moron Jenkins, who got busted twice in a couple of weeks. HOW STUPID CAN YOU GET? Peyton Manning never had any first round guards, Decastro maybe, YOU CONSIDER HIM he does have unusual quickness. cornerbacks cost 8-9 million, and are second most valuable, to quarterbacks. I’D TAKE DENNARD, AND THE CORNER FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, WHO IS A SECOND ROUND GUY, SO I TRADE DOWN FROM 21, and take him. I would consider this guy in two, for sure, and Pead and Boom Herron, or whoever is more of a between the tackles RB, in four. Alexander is right, Livings is good enough to start, spends less time on the ground now, and can be signed cheaply, Marvin doesn’t throw his cap dollars around, just need a guy to get in the way. resign Bobby for far less than 4.5mil, which he made last year, and/or bring that guy from Pitt back, and with 60 million under the cap, get a free agent wr, an experienced guy like Colston, to stabilize a young receiver corps while that guy from the sixth round last year develops, from Stanford, then just bargain shop in free agency, if a guy is unsigned because everyone is maxed out on their cap credit cards, say Ben Grubbs is available for 3 million, pounce, but ML is as stingy with a buck as Mike, he is just a better evaluator of talent. OK, forget Antonio Bryant, at least they corrected it by throwing the team doctors under the bus.

by melkiperwannabe on Feb 24, 2012 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

no way a 1 for Wallace

they want to control the ball Wallace has been inconsistent, not giving up that one we stole for Mike Wallace, unless they throw in Andy Rooney. And Art Rooney.

by melkiperwannabe on Feb 24, 2012 5:19 PM EST reply actions  

Hold the line!

Another thought…

Get Nicks and then:

Bundle one first this year with a later pick and one pick next year (need to get to 1600 pnts.) and move up to the Redskin’s 6 spot this year and get Morris Claiborne at CB (ready to start now).

with the remaining first round pick get Dontari Poe

by NorwayMike on Feb 27, 2012 10:17 AM EST reply actions  

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