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Is Trent Richardson Really a Valuable Pick at Number 17?

Man Trent Richardson is Mad.

With the draft quickly approaching, mock drafts are piling up around the internet. Pick a position on the field, sans quarterback, and there is a mock draft that has the Bengals using one of their first round picks on that position. One of the most common positions these drafts have the Bengals selecting is RB, and one of the most common players the Bengals are predicted to select is Alabama RB Trent Richardson.

Comments concerning Richardson are endless and one of the most eye-catching is that Richardson is a better prospect coming out of college than Adrian Peterson was when he came out in 2007. This is very high praise for a running back as Peterson is widely known as one of the best, if not the best, running back in the NFL. One question that comes to mind, though, when talking about Richardson's prospectual value in the 2012 draft is that if he is that valuable (ranked no. 3 overall on Mel Kiper's Big Board) then why are many analysts projecting him to drop to no. 17?

If Richardson is passed up by 16 teams, is he really that valuable? Why would other teams, who have a mediocre or barely average running back, pass on the best RB since Adrian Peterson? If he is that valuable, would the Bengals be better off trading up to pick Richardson early?

Star-divide

First, let us start off by examining why Trent Richardson (TR) is such a valuable pick.

1. He is a physical freak of nature. He is by no means the tallest RB to ever enter into the draft at 5-11 nor is he the heaviest at a meager-but-healthy 220 lbs, but whatever he lacks in height and weight, TR more than makes up for in the things that he can control. Power Clean: 365 lbs. Squat: 600 lbs. Bench Press: 475 lbs. 40: 4.4. Scott Cochran, Alabama strength coach, will not let Richardson go higher because he's afraid that TR would lift TOO MUCH WEIGHT. Cochran has stated that no one will ever know his true max, he picked up 365 lbs "like a toothpick," but that he is able to rep out 405 lbs on bench with ease. Those stats alone are impressive, but when asked why he goes so hard in the gym, it is not uncommon for TR to reply with gems such as,

"I throw [defensive players] off of me"

and

"I'm never going to be taken down by the first person."

TR is the prime example of what a good work ethic in the weight room will do for a football player's on-field effectiveness (see also, Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis, and Tim Tebow).

2. Durability. A direct consequence of TR's weight room ethic is this: He has NEVER been injured. This is due in part to splitting carries with Mark Ingram in his first two years at Alabama, so his body does not have a lot of wear and tear on it, but this is mostly in part to his body being in peak physical state. Even the best RB's like Matt Forte and Adrian Peterson have had their health issues in college and the NFL, but when you watch tape of TR and see 230 lb. linebackers try to tackle him low and just bounce off of his legs, then you can see how TR differs from even the elite RB's in the NFL. In a hard-nose division such as the AFC North, a durable, tough, big RB can take you a very long way (see: Jerome Bettis, Jamal Lewis, Peyton Hillis, Rudi Johnson, et cetera). Case in point: Rams QB Sam Bradford had two shoulder injuries his senior year at OU to his AC Joint. Bradford has reconstructive surgery and rehabbed in the offseason, but what he also did was built up more muscle on his shoulders and he has never had another injury issue with his shoulder. In physiological terms, ligaments connect bone to bone which provide stability to the joints. The muscles around the ligaments are the foundation of a healthy shoulder because they protect the ligaments, which stabilize the joints; in Bradford's case, he put on 15-20 lbs of muscle to protect his AC joint. In short, more muscle, less injuries. Oh, and I forgot to mention that TR has only had one fumble in three years at Alabama.

So, we get it, TR is one of the most valuable RB college prospects in a long time, if ever, and any team would be lucky to have him on their team. If this is true, then why are we all saying, and hoping, that he will drop to the Bengals pick at no. 17? The main reason that many think this will happen is because of the needs of the 16 teams who pick prior to the Bengals. There is not one team that really needs a RB who pick in spots 1-16 because they have other roster holes that need to be filled, but there are a few situations that would lead to him being drafted before the 17 spot. For instance, if the Colts decide to keep Peyton Manning and trade down with another team. If this happens, the Colts could pick up TR and have a solid RB for the first time since Edgerrin James. All signs point to the Colts taking Luck and cutting Manning, but it is a situation that could happen.

Barring this set of circumstances, teams that could take TR before the Bengals get a chance are few, but they are there. Mel Kiper has TR going to Tampa Bay at no. 5 and Russ Land, from SB Nation, has the New York Jets taking TR with the no. 16 pick. Aside from these two teams, it would be possible for the Browns (with Hillis all but gone and the only other option being Chris Ogbonnaya, TR would make sense), Redskins (CB may be more of a need for Wash, but they have not had a reliable no. 1 RB since Clinton Portis), and the Cowboys (DeMarco Murray had a great year but had some injury concerns late in the season and it is unknown if he can be a no.1 back for an entire season). There are teams that could certainly use TR as their no. 1 back, but will they pull the trigger and take the chance on a RB in the first round? Crazier things have happened on draft day.

If the Bengals are in need of a RB and do not get one in free agency, would it be a smart move to use one, or more likely both, of their first round picks to get a better spot and pick TR at an earlier position (see Nick Crago's compelling article arguing FOR the Bengals trading up to get TR)? Two lines of thought must come into play in making a decision about trading up to get TR.

1. Is one impact player worth two impact players?

Let's make this short: The Bengals would be lucky to get TR in the first round, but the number of needs that they have to address are much more important than just one good RB. There has never been a team to win the Superbowl after drafting one impact player. Look at the Vikings and Peterson, Saints and Ricky Williams in 1999, the Bears and Forte, or even the Texans with Foster AND Tate. For the Bengals, two players that will fill voids in the roster, and help to make the team better overall, and who will start immediately are more essential than one RB, even if it is Trent Richardson.

2. Will another valuable RB be available in the second or third round?

In short, YES, but not worth a first round pick. The Bengals front office needs to decide if TR is worth two picks, which we referred to above, and if he isn't, then there are a slew of RB's worthy of a second or third round pick who could be as productive as TR. Be sure to follow Joe Goodberry on Twitter and you will see that RB's like Doug Martin, David Wilson, Lamar Miller, and Chris Polk will be available in the second round, they have the same traits as TR (downhill runners, tough, strong, etc), and will have as much success in the NFL as TR. There is RB talent after TR and we, as fans, need to come to terms with the possibility of the Bengals not being able to draft him and be okay with another top-5 RB in this deep draft class.

If we look to history to be our guide in figuring out what the Bengals will do with their two first round picks, we would have no idea. Anthony Cozenza comments on the Bengals history with draft picks and says,

[u]nder the ownership of Mike Brown, the Bengals' strategy in the first round has been a complete mystery. We've seen them move up and give up picks to grab Ki-Jana Carter (ouch), we've seen them trade back and accumulate picks while drafting Chris Perry (another ouch), and we've seen them stay put with two first round picks and grab two solid players in Brian Simmons and Takeo Spikes. With two late first round picks, nothing would surprise me.

In reality, we have no idea what Mike Brown will do; in 2006 everyone expected the Bengals to take a tight end, either trade up to try and get Vernon Davis or take Marcedes Lewis with the no. 24 pick. Instead, the Bengals took the no. 3 ranked CB in that years draft, Jonathon Joseph, and surprised a lot of people. Joseph turned out to be pretty good and since 2006 Brown has put together a string of good drafts (save Andre Smith at no. 6 in 2009). If anything, we should put our trust in Marvin, Jay, Zimmer, and, as much as it will hurt, Mike Brown, and trust that they will make the right decision regarding the future of the Cincinnati Bengals. If that means they trade up and take TR, that would be great. If they don't trade up but take an OG and CB, great. If they take two defensive players, great. No matter what, there are holes that need to be filled that are better left for the draft than free agency, specifically defensive players, and whatever decision the Bengals end up making, we, as fans, should be behind our team 100 percent.

The draft will be filled with a million and one situational choices and no one, not even Mike Brown, will know who the Bengals will draft with their two first round picks. Each choice the Bengals could make is determined by what happens prior to them and, as fans, we can speculate and make our wishes and desires known but on April 28, Mike Brown could surprise everybody.

In the end, let's be honest for a moment, it is a pipe dream of all Cincinnati fans to be able to draft TR in this year's draft, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. It is safer to bet on a second round RB like Martin or Wilson than trade up for Richardson. Please, CJ readers, do not read this wrong, if Richardson is available at no. 17 THEN ABSOLUTELY DRAFT HIM, but to have it put simply: he is not going to be available. TR is no. 3 overall and it is hard to believe, if not impossible to believe, that the no. 3 overall prospect in the ENTIRE NFL DRAFT will be available after 16 teams pick. If he is as valuable as everyone says, then a team that needs a (better) RB will not pass him up. TR would be a steal at no. 10, an absurdity at no. 15, and an absolute violation of natural law at no. 17. So, Bengals fans, for your own sake, please stop dreaming about Trent Richardson in black and orange and start being more realistic about the Bengals two first round picks....and pray that the Browns don't draft him.

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lol Richardson will have value at the number 8 spot after we trade up and get him

but is it just me or does Trent look like a jacked up Lil wayne in that pic above?

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 4:36 PM EST reply actions  

I do see that, jacked Lil Wayne without all the tatoos.

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 14, 2012 5:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes;

The point was to see if Richardson is either worth trading up and, if he isn’t, how he won’t be available at 17. He is definitely valuable.

"It's your football team, find a way to fix it. Reach down inside, and BE A...PRO!!" -Marvin Lewis

by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 14, 2012 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you read the Article

or just the title?

Try not to take the above message too seriously.

by einman77 on Feb 14, 2012 5:49 PM EST up reply actions  

lol

love you honesty!

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

That’s for your honesty! haha Never judge a book by it’s cover….or, a blog by it’s title!

"It's your football team, find a way to fix it. Reach down inside, and BE A...PRO!!" -Marvin Lewis

by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 15, 2012 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice job

Good job on the article, it was a good read. Givng up two firsts to move up for Richardson won’t happen, that would be ridiculous. If it’s not too steep of a move, I would offer a first, third and fourth..if they take it, they take it, if not oh well.

by Nick_Crago on Feb 14, 2012 4:57 PM EST reply actions  

thanks, Nick.

And I agree with you wholeheartedly about not trading up for him. Anything more than a third, fourth, plus trading picks in the first is too much.

"It's your football team, find a way to fix it. Reach down inside, and BE A...PRO!!" -Marvin Lewis

by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 14, 2012 5:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Bengals aren’t dropping both first rounders to trade into the top 10. Should he still be on the board after that, they should start making calls and figuring out the price tag. He won’t be there at 17 granted, because someone else will jump up in front of the Bengals.

There are plenty of options, and I still think either T-Rich, DeCastro, Kirkpatrick or Jenkins falls, and getting any one of those players would be worth waiting for.

Try not to take the above message too seriously.

by einman77 on Feb 14, 2012 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

it wouldnt cost us two first round picks if we trade up to the 10th spot

it would be our 17th pick and a 2nd round pick either this year or 2013 is what we would have to give up.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 5:58 PM EST up reply actions  

That's too much.

The second is too much. If Bengals trade up, it can’t be for more than a first, third, and fourth. They need to take advantage of the picks and either get some worth out of the first pick by combining it with a few later round picks, or get worth out of both picks by drafting with them both. And the second round pick is really important in this draft because of the depth of the position classes that the Bengals need.

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by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 15, 2012 7:54 AM EST up reply actions  

We do have two 2nd round picks next year b/c of the Palmer trade, so it wouldn't really hurt us that bad...

I still would rather wait and see if TR falls to us in the 1st or Martin in the 2nd

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by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Feb 15, 2012 1:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Is TR worth a 1 and 2 is the question?

Who in right mind would pass on Tr? What do the Bengals lose? A second Round Pick? What do the Bengals Gain? Just Dalton Green Gresham and Then TR?. If the Bengals want to win this year and the next years, TR IS worth losing a Second Round Pick.

by Chili Dog on Feb 14, 2012 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

if we can trade our 21st or 17th + next years 2nd round pick

for a 15th or 16th pick this year and a 3rd next year. its doable. otherwise forget it. check out the draft value chart for an idea of values.

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by palewook on Feb 14, 2012 5:19 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

i don’t even think its a question we do it. Why get a few mediocore players here and there, when you can package those picks up and get an elite player coming out of college. Trent is the back the bengals have been waiting for since marvin has been here.

Speed- Check
soft hands check
vision
check
feet work- check
blocking – check
strength – check
final piece to the offensive puzzle- check.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 5:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Did you mean to double post?

Did you mean to double post?

Try not to take the above message too seriously.

by einman77 on Feb 14, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

lol nope

i tend to do that a lot, i gues because i hit the enter button to fast

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 5:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Final piece(s) of the offensive puzzle isn't running back

It’s offensive line help—namely two good guards. Richardson will probably be a good to great back in the NFL. But, the difference between him being decent to good, or good to great could depend on the line he has in front of him.

I’d like to have him, but there are so many holes on the roster and good backs can be found throughout the draft and beyond. LeSean McCoy was a second rounder. Arian Foster was undrafted. They have great lines in front of them and are two of the best backs in the NFL.

Build the line, then get your back(s).

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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 14, 2012 5:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Wouldn't you think

That if we landed TR it would pressure MB into investing in the line even more? If we trade we would still have pick 21 with a couple good linemen sitting right there. Nicks & Grubbs in FA.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 5:43 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

RE:

Absolutely not. Mike Brown has always been enamored with skill positions. Like Al Davis, Brown thinks that having elite skill positions (almost always brought in via draft) will solve everything.

And, seeing as how skill position players cost more money, it would make him less likely to heavily invest elsewhere. I just don’t see him making the correlation there. I bet he’d think that Richardson would be the lone answer to the Bengals rushing woes and it isn’t the case.

If I were Mike Brown I’d agree with your line of thinking. I’m not and I doubt that he will.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 14, 2012 6:12 PM EST up reply actions  

correct me if i am wrong....

did we not pick andre smith in the top 5 a few years back (whem rookie deals were outrageous) and resign whitworth to bigger contract?

I think this the year where we go big in FA on our oline and draft our skill positions in the draft. everything is situational and I think this year we have the money to really invest into our oline. But richardson by far is the biggest bright spot in this years draft for us. Its like the stars are aligning and this may actually be the year we get better after making the playoffs.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 6:48 PM EST up reply actions  

RE:

You are correct about both, but the instances of Smith and Whitworth were in different years—2009 and 2011. And, the team only felt the need to draft Smith so highly because both of their starting tackles (Levi Jones and Willie Anderson) were falling apart. Let’s also not forget that they drafted Smith, gave him the runaround on a contract (that they ultimately gave him a low-money deal) and then put him at right tackle, not left.

I think Brown holds tackles in some high regard, but not interior linemen. He still covets sill position players above all else.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 14, 2012 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

yea i can see your concerns about the gaurd position

but like i said before, its like all the stars are aligning for us do something really special this offseason. Thanks to the trade of carson and chad, we essentially rolled over 15 million from last year and have a an extra 15 million off the books this year.

kind of crazy to think chad and carson would have cost us $30 million of the $60 million of cap space we have this year.

there was simply no money to be spent on the oline when we had carson and chad.But now with a pretty good OG market and loads of cash to spend. I don’t even think brown can mess this one up. We really have an opportunity to get that high grade OG and re-sign collins or livings to play opposite of the FA pick pick up. Not to mention a deep OL class that we can potentially pick up a future star in the mid rounds, a la Even Mathis.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 7:19 PM EST up reply actions  

On the plus side, if we get Richardson, that checks off one skill position.

Then, Marvin can try to influence Mikey and get o-line elsewhere in the draft, whether it be at pick #21 or the 2nd or 3rd round.

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 14, 2012 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

Im just saying whoever the bengals decide is worth to resign

I trust their judgement as of late. But there are at least 5 players that would be an upgrade to our oline at the OG spot that we can sign in FA.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 15, 2012 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

i did get ahead of myself there, of course I am assuming we take care of the line situation in the offseason before the draft

i think we resign some of our own and get a stud Olineman in FA. I think the line is where we are going to invest most of our money in FA, outside resigning our own players.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 5:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you.

But signing Nicks AND drafting Richardson would be perfect.

by RHSNEYES on Feb 14, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

if he's there at 17, we have to take him.

if he’s there at 15 or 16, maybe we can trade up cheaply, otherwise, nope, we don’t trade up for him.

My favorite comment about Richardson, via nfldraftscout:
Reminded of his assessment last year that Ingram “runs mad,” an AFC scout said of Richardson: “What’s beyond mad? Pissed off? OK, [Richardson] runs pissed off.”

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 14, 2012 5:17 PM EST reply actions  

I'd truly love to see him in stripes but,

I don’t want to mortgage the ranch either. As I’ve said before, for us, no other player in this draft will put points on the board or butts in the seats more than TR.

by keithster on Feb 14, 2012 5:22 PM EST reply actions  

Agreed

The excitement level would practically be worth it alone. Should the Bengals fill some holes through free agency (not the biggest fan of that myself, but with so much cap room and the floor fast approaching it almost has to be done) the excitement would be through the roof.

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by einman77 on Feb 14, 2012 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Richardson had a knee injury in high school

He had surgery on it and had to battle back. He was also a father in high school. Two big events in his life that nearly made him quite football at a young age.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 14, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions  

thats funny how say that

because i know some players stock go up if they show that they are commited to being fathers. It definatly shows their maturity.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 5:32 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

Goes both ways I guess but I see a immature kid that had to grow up fast and didn’t QUIT.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 5:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Hell Yes he's worth it.

I would Love to see this dude in stripes. If they wouldn’t take a 1st, 3rd, &4th I can throw in my left nut because I would give it to have this guy on our team. I just pray Cleveland doesn’t get a wild hair and pick him cause I do not want to face him twice a year.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 14, 2012 5:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

depending on if the Browns resigns Hillis or not will determine if they really are going to look at richardson

plus if washington doesn’t steal RG3, i don’t see the browns passing on him. With all the hype cam got this past year.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 5:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Thanks for that correction,

I didn’t know that. But, the point is still valid: In 16 years of football, he has had one injury. That’s pretty boss. And I bet his knee injury was when he didn’t have twenty pounds of muscle surrounding his knee ligaments and joints. haha

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by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 15, 2012 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

I think my ideal draft situation is trading up twice

Let’s say both DeCastro and Richardson are still available at 10. We trade our 17th and a 3rd and a 5th (our 17th and next year’s conditional 2nd/1st, most likely 2nd) for 12 and select DeCastro. If Richardson is still available at 15, we trade up again and offer 21 and a 4th and New England’s 5th from the Ocho Cinco trade. Then we still have a 2nd to get a decent CB, a serviceable WR could be had with the other 5th, 6th could be safety, 7th could be BPA.

This is all very speculative but that would fill up major gaps with quality talent, and other holes can be filled in free agency.

by Jems617 on Feb 14, 2012 5:56 PM EST reply actions  

I meant, “or our 17th” and 10 with the DeCastro selection

by Jems617 on Feb 14, 2012 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Not worth the gamble

1st round RBs seem like more of a crap shoot than QBs it seems. If Richardson were to somehow fall to 17, great. If we have to wait for the next group in the 2nd or 3rd round, so be it. 3rd round seems to be the cutoff for actually getting a decent starting RB. I’d rather NOT dump extra 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round picks to get the "top rated" RB, when he’s not a lock to actually be the best RB.

Here’s some recent RB draft history:

I thought the Bengals were incredibly stupid for not drafting Steven Jackson at #24 in 2004. I had seen what he did in college for 3 years up close and personal. I will always hate Jim Anderson for this.

The following year, Ronnie Brown, CEDRIC BENSON, and Cadillac Williams were all drafted in the top 5. Frank Gore became the best back out of 2005 in the 3rd round.

2006 was Reggie Bush at #2, & 3 others in the late 1st. MJD at #60 is the best RB from the class as the 6th RB taken.

2007 had Adrian Peterson at #7 (#7???), Marshawn Lynch at #12, and the Bengals took Kenny Irons (How many 2nd round picks have the Bengals had who injured themselves and never played a down?) as the 3rd RB at #49. Our 3rd down friend Brian Leonard was taken at #50, and the only other serviceable back from 2007 was Michael Bush in the 4th round. What a terrible year for RBs.

2008 was Run DMC at #4 – worth a #4 pick when healthy. This was a heavy year on RBs with Jonathan Stewart, Felix Jones, Mendenhall, Chris Johnson, Matt Forte, Ray Rice, Kevin Smith, Jamaal Charles, and Steve Slaton the first 10 taken. All but Jones and Smith have turned in 1,000 yard seasons. Charles and Slaton were 3rd rounders.

2009 Knowshon Moreno was the first RB at #12. Other 1st rounders = Donald Brown and Beanie Wells. The top RB was the 4th taken – LeSean McCoy at #53.

2010 CJ Spiller was the top pick at #9, while Ryan Mathews and Jahvid Best were fellow 1st rounders. 2nd rounders = Toby Gerhart, Ben Tate, and Montario Hardesty. I think the top RB from 2010 was undrafted cheap-shot artist LeGarrette Blount.

2011 Mark Ingram was the only 1st rounder at #28. Only 3rd rounder DeMarco Murray and 4th rounder Roy Helu held starting jobs by year end.

Jackson in 2004, Peterson in 2007 are the two top RB picks in the last 8 years who actually turned out to be the top RB from their class.

by PeteRoseJr on Feb 14, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

i think this also shows

that generally a good RB won’t do much in the NFL if they don’t have much around them.

if we can get Richardson, then good for us.

But we have to make sure that somehow we improve the O-Line that he’s running behind for him to be the beast that we would expect him to be.

I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!

by ephram on Feb 14, 2012 7:34 PM EST up reply actions  

How about the comparison to AP, though?

TR was compared to, and even said he was a better prospect than, AP. Peterson is one of the few RB’s who were drafted in the first and have done well in the NFL. Does that mean TR will do well too? I think so; and he’s more durable than AP. Doesn’t run standing up and has more muscle…but not by much. haha

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by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 15, 2012 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

I would love Richardson as a Bengal

But if we didnt sign a guard in FA, I wouldnt trade up to get him. I also think if they dont get him, they will have to use pick 21 or trade up in the 2nd to get a RB. I think by mid to late first round they will start flying off the board.

by EPK1979 on Feb 14, 2012 6:00 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

How about these options?

1st option 3 draft position selections: OG/C, OG and MLB
or
2nd option 3 draft position selections: CB, OG, and MLB
or
3rd option 3 draft position selections: OG, CB and RB

The RB position is based on 1000 yd seasons as a barometer of a successful RB accomplishment. We have had that with Ced and could be easily had by him again or by many other RBs via FA. So why not get the bulldozers up front to get more. If we should get TR at #17 then I say great but how much more will he gain over Ceds 1000 yds. Think its better to use two firsts and stay put in the current order.

by sofakingood on Feb 14, 2012 6:03 PM EST reply actions  

+1

It’s not just TR’s value. It’s the opportunity costs of what we give up to get him.

by IllinoisBengal on Feb 15, 2012 6:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I like Richarson, and I think he definitely provides value at #17 (although I am of the school that believes you generally do not draft a RB in the first round - again, generally speaking).

However, after reading Alabama’s strength coach’s comment, is it possible that Richardson is too top heavy (i.e. too strong)??? I know it sounds ridiculous, but when I first saw the picture in this article, I immediately thought of David Boston. Then reading the strength coach’s comment, it is clear that Richardson is a workout beast. Sometimes, though, that causes muscles it quickly break down and/or results in longer than normal recovery times from injury.

Just a thought. Anyone else possibly see the David Boston similarities with TR??

by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 14, 2012 6:07 PM EST reply actions  

i think the biggest difference than david boston and TR

is Boston was clearly on roids lol. TR the right size for NFL RB. But Boston was like 6’2 260 WR that ran like a 4.4 or something. It just didn’t ad up.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 15, 2012 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

RB's have the shortest NFL career

so I doubt any team will pick him top 10. But then again the rookie wage scale means the financial hit is very reasonable should he break a leg in training camp. I don’t see him still on the board at #17. By #17, nearly all the top prospects have already been picked over. There will still be a few left, but not a guy like TR.

No they should not trade up and I don’t think they will since, as you say, they aren’t just 1 player away. They are maybe three or four away and with two fine first round picks, they are just 1 or 2 away.

by BENGALS69 on Feb 14, 2012 6:35 PM EST reply actions  

Grab A Gun, Shoot It. Will the Bengals ever Arm for War?

Will General ever enter with gain of ground vs gain of the accounting book? Who is the Master on the Field? The books are wrong. Who is in charge? Where is the GM Who can escape the books? Who is in Command? Will the passion of General ever complete mission? Will Mike Brown ever become someone who has mission? Grab a Gun Mike? Shoot IT?! Cincy needs an OLD MAN who will remember the days of Paul Brown who walked into Cincy with the Idea that the accounting office is weak as per the gift! Who are you you Mike? Are you a Football Guy Or A Guy who can handle the Books? Prove to all that you can General the Troops to win without consideration or complete the tax burden of your fathers death. Or will you life to the game of WIN! Business is Business.Why protect your Money? Who are you Mike? Whats Up? Who is Mike Brown? A Bookhead or the a Person who can prepare for War? Is Mike Brown worth it is the Question? What do you all think? Is Mike Brown a Bob Howsam?

by Chili Dog on Feb 14, 2012 6:46 PM EST reply actions  

Crimeny

This guy’s FOREARMS are as big around as that football he’s holding!

by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 14, 2012 6:52 PM EST reply actions  

I'd draft Richardson...

If he fell to 17 but i would’t trade up…the only trade up i’d do would be for DeCastro….but if Richardson fell to 17 i’d take him..but we’d have to draft Cordy Glenn with our other pick..unless we signed a FA OG..then we could take Dre Kirkpatrick with our other pick…draft Brandon Thompson with our 2nd RD pick & then draft a guard in the 3rd round…..BUT..if we drafted Richardson & drafted Cordy Glenn and didn’t sign a FA OG we would have to sign a CB in the 2nd round..which i think the best available CB in the 2nd RD would be Chase Minnifield.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
SS-Laron Landry
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 14, 2012 7:09 PM EST reply actions  

Yes, but

I REALLY like Miller out of the U

by quickslant on Feb 14, 2012 7:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Miller = Sproles

Not a no.1 RB. It’d be like having two Brian Leonard’s on the team.

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by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 15, 2012 8:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind having Darren Sproles Clone on my team

Plus, I think you’re underestimating Miller a bit. He actually runs really well between the tackles and has decent size (5’11, 215). Sproles is 5’6, 190.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 15, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

You're right,

I was undervaluing him. But I just don’t think he is a good fit for the Bengals system. Unlike a David Harris or Chris Polk.

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by Mike Fightmaster on Feb 15, 2012 9:55 AM EST up reply actions  

Can he make a difference?

Jackson 37-80 W/L
Peterson 38-38
Foster 20-16
MJD 45-60
C Johnson 36-28
Combined 26 seasons with 6 playoff appearances. (Average would be 10 of 26)

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by Evil Monkey on Feb 14, 2012 7:45 PM EST reply actions  

question: where were the QBs of those respective teams?

i don’t think any of those teams has the make up of what we have here. An up and coming QB, an elite WR, elite TE and possible an elite RB, would defintely bring some wins to the this team for quite a while.

And yes, this is assuming we signed a few FA OL.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 14, 2012 8:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

And most of those teams have drafted a qb in the past 2 years. I think it speaks more to those RB’s abilities that they are able to put up consistently good numbers despite shaky qb play.

by EPK1979 on Feb 14, 2012 8:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Yes,i agree also

Jackson has had virtually no help
Peterson did have Farve for one good season
Foster is with the Texans,and they are now turning the corner with Manning out of the picture
MJD,Jacksonville that just about says it all
CJ was carrying Vince

We are in better shape than any of those teams,than what they were at the time they drafted those RB’s

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by keithp on Feb 14, 2012 8:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Right.

That’s not a fair comparison. Those are also some of the most poorly QB’d teams in the league. So the only conclusion I would draw from that is: running backs aren’t as important as QBs. We have a QB. Why not grab a RB?

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 15, 2012 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Only if he's there at 17

This is a very good 1st round,even though TR is probably the guy i want in stripes the most
There will be to impact player’s still there at 17 and 21,with a capable RB still to be had in the 2cd or even 3rd round

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by keithp on Feb 14, 2012 8:38 PM EST reply actions  

We need to trade up !

This guy is great. We need to trade up to get him. The dude is an iron pumping dedicated football freak, Watch some of the film on this guy….. he’s an absolute beast.

by Goble on Feb 15, 2012 6:49 AM EST reply actions  

Ummm yes

But if ill wait till after Free agency before declaring we must trade up to get him. who knows with all this money and an extra first rounder we can grab a restricted or someone like matt forte you never know but is he a value at 17 hell yes

by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 15, 2012 9:02 AM EST reply actions  

Yes, yes, and yes

A rare skill set on a rare athelete. Like adding AJ Green like talent in the backfield. Can someone say Benson-who???

by recedingjungle on Feb 15, 2012 11:27 AM EST reply actions  

Richardson or DeCastro or Kirpatrick?

One will fall to us. Richardson and DeCastro are both elite at positions where you can alternatively get very good production out of just an above average prospect in the second round or later. Kirpatrick is very good at a position where elite talent is coveted.

It’s a nice problem to have that one will be within reach for us (God willing, two). I keep racking my brain trying to prioritize these guys, and every time I come up with a different answer.

In favor of DeCastro, a great O-Line can improve the entire offense. It gives the QB more time to find the WRs. It frees up the TE to run more routes.It opens better holes for the RB.

On the other hand, even a good guard can do enough to make a line great. Do we need the highest rated guard on the board.

In favor of Richardson, he is a prospect that only comes around once in maybe 5 years. From a skill perspective, he can take over the game, like AJ Green. Having gamechangers is the difference between good teams and great teams.

On the other hand, RBs can be found later, even undrafted players can find great success at the RB spot (Arian Foster) especially if the O-Line is playing well.

In favor of Kirpatrick (or Jenkins if you wish), there is no position, except QB, where more value is placed on skill, IMO. A CB who you can leave on an island is worth his weight in gold. Those players are rare. And they fit our greatest need.

Do either of these prospects fit that bill? Is the drop-off to the CBs available in round 2 that great?

by EarthwormJim on Feb 16, 2012 12:31 PM EST reply actions  

"In favor of Richardson, he is a prospect that only comes around once in maybe 5 years. From a skill perspective, he can take over the game, like AJ Green. Having gamechangers is the difference between good teams and great teams."

im glad you recognize his skills and see that he is a once-in-while talent.

For me, TR is a player you take in the first round early, especially in the position the bengals are in.

There is this fear that RBs that get taking early tend to be bust more often than not. But aren’t most early picks bust? I would have to argue more than half of every team darft picks tend be bust and they aren’t on their teams after few years anyways.

I see the draft as an event or opportunity to get that player that you must have. You have to pick one pick at least every round right? Might as well get the player that is the most pro ready and is an upgrade at their respective position. The bengals are in much need of the play maker RB. TR is the ideal first pick of the bengals in the 2012 draft. I don’t think you can package anything better than what he has to offer.

TR has a great work ethic and attitude. And is very athletic for a running back. You just don’t see backs like him often with his size, speed, strength and agility. I would be very disappointed in the bengals if they have an opportunity pick him and dont.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 16, 2012 9:53 PM EST up reply actions  

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