La Canfora: CB Stanford Routt To Visit Bengals Friday
According to the NFL Network's Jason La Canfora, former Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt is planning to visit the Cincinnati Bengals this coming Friday. He is currently visiting the Chiefs in Kansas City and has reportedly been in contact with the Bills as well.
Stanford Routt remains in KC for second day of meetings with Chiefs. Still talking to Bills and scheduled to visit Bengals Fri #insideslant
Routt is considered one of the top free agent cornerbacks this offseason. Last year he intercepted four passes, broke up 15 passes and made 49 tackles. He would be entering his eighth season in the NFL at the age of 28.
ESPN In$ider gives Routt a score of 69 on his scouting report and says that he has excellent potential and has filled many roles in his career.
Routt has filled various roles from full-time starter to nickelback corner and has shown flashes of raw potential. He is an excellent-sized cornerback with rare straight-line speed but needs to learn how to use it. He has a tendency to rely on natural athleticism and speed too often and lets his technique and footwork become secondary. He is most effective when getting up in a press alignment and using his size and long arms to jam or re-route receivers. He needs more work on route recognition and reading the quarterback's eyes. He has a tendency to take extra steps and look a bit stiff when coming out of his pedal to drive on the ball.
Routt sounds as if he'd still be a step down from Johnathan Joseph but he may be a step up from Nate Clements. It's no secret that the Bengals need help at cornerback, and I would think that even if Routt's visit to the Queen City turns into a signing that the Bengals would still draft a cornerback with an early pick.
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by 77CincyRage on Feb 15, 2012 10:33 AM EST up reply actions
FA is the way to fix CB.
Sign two in FA. Draft is thin with first round corners. By 17, the Bengals don’t want to be facing a reach by taking the 3rd or 4th best corner. They won’t if they get busy in FA.
According to Geoff Hobson of Bengals.com
He said dont expect the Bengals to make moves in FA until the second week when it will be more of a buyers market. He is such a buzz kill.
by EPK1979 on Feb 15, 2012 10:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
As much as I hate that they do that
It’s probably the right move 9/10 times. Free Agents don’t always work out how you want them to (See: Geathers, Odom, TO, Coles, etc), and they tend to be overpaid. A lot of good organizations like the Steelers and Packers do the same thing.
I would make an exception for Nicks, but that might be the only exception.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 15, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
I couldn't disagree more.
J-Joe was the third ranked corner in his 2006 draft class (yet we still selected him in the first round). And he is a pro bowl player (albeit not for us).
Nnamdi was the 4th or 5th rated corner is his 2003 draft class, yet was still selected in the first round and became all pro.
Carlos Rogers was the third ranked corner in the 2005 draft, yet was still selected top 10 (TOP TEN!). He is now becoming a pro bowl corner.
In today’s pass-oriented NFL, CB has become such a premium defensive position (along with talented D-linemen who can pressure the QB), that sometimes the third or fourth best corner actually brings more value than the top rated mike LB, or the top rated RB or top rated S. Moreover, not being ranked first at your position does not mean that the player is NOT an elite prospect. It could be that the position is very deep, or that the top player at the position is so elite that the next ranked player at the position (who is still nonetheless very talented) will be ranked below him. For example, assume that Revis and J-Joe (in their current form) were entering this year’s draft. J-Joe would be the second best CB propsect (Revis is elite), but the fact that J-Joe is the second prospect at his position does NOT mean that selecting J-Joe is a reach, nor does it necessarily mean that J-Joe is NOT talented.
The third ranked corners in this year’s draft (I’ve seen anyone from Janoris, to Kirkpatrick, to Gilmore s the third best CB prospect)) are all very good prospects.
Finally, not sure UFA is the best route to go for shoring up of CB needs. FA CBs command top dollar (upwards of $7M – low end to ~$10M – high end / per season) on the open market. Instead, if you draft a top three CB prospect in the first round, you will pay him maybe one-third the base salary of any good FA corner.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 15, 2012 11:22 AM EST up reply actions
+1
i think we spend the big money on oline in FA and draft our own players in the skilled positions. Especially witht the success we had drafting CBs early in the draft with Joseph and Hall.
AMAS
I agree with you guys
While I would like for a Routt or someone compairable to be brought in to improve quality of depth. We will only find our future number 1 corner with a high draft pick.
by EPK1979 on Feb 15, 2012 11:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I could be wrong
But I thought since he was released, he wouldnt have to wait for FA to start to sign with a team.
by EPK1979 on Feb 15, 2012 10:27 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He does NOT have to wait until March 13th
Since he was released (i.e. his contract was terminated), Routt is free to sign with any team at any time. He does NOT have to wait until the 2012 league year starts (which is 4PM EST on 3/13/2012).
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 15, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions
I think this would be a great signing.
Routt, Clements and potentially Kirkpatrick or Gilmore would be one of the most physical corner groups in the league. Those are all some pretty mean dudes.
He would be a good pick up
I would say that his shortcomings listed above don’t worry me at all because Zimm & Coyle do a really good job with the CB but Coyle’s not here anymore. Regardless he can help our unit, hope he signs here.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 15, 2012 10:32 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Would KC be using Routt as leverage to sign Carr?
Would he really want to play in Buffalo?
I think we have a great chance at signing him,depending on the price tag
Bengals should still have a chance at a solid corner in the draft also
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Also as Biggie mentioned in a recent fanpost
Jason Allen,should be on the radar as well
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Routt does not have to wait until FA to sign. OAK cut him to prevent paying some bonus
Change gone come mane! Trust me! Cause i Bleed tigerblood!--Jerome Simpson
He'd be a good signing
Let’s not get into a bidding war for him though. He’s a #2 fill-in CB.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 15, 2012 10:53 AM EST reply actions
This would be a good sign, IMO.
Also, sign Nelson first thing when FA begins, that would be a good start.
The fact that he's only 28 yrs old and already has 8 NFL years under his belt is intriguing
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I don't want Routt
I watched a lot of Raider games last year, and I felt his guy was a liability. What especially caught my eye is how winded he always appeared late in games. Nate Clements is a better tackler and better in run support. If both guys are going to get beat on a regular basis, I’d rather have the guy that can tackle.
B. Clifton Burke
I wonder about that Raider d-line
Was there enough pressure in Oakland,that would allow Stanford’s to use his strength at the line of scrimmage?
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Not a fan of Routt, per se (althogth he would solidify the secondary)
But the biggest thing I take away from this, is the fact that the Bengals are inviting him in for a visit, meaning that they’ve identified a position of need (defensive secondary), and are searching for the top available players to fill those needs.
This is a good sign. Now, as long as they are sending signals to Nicks or Grubbs agents (shhh, we can’t violate tampering rules before March 13th), I’ll be happy. Overall, this is good to see that the Bengals are at least actively looking to improve the roster.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
decent signing
But would not pay to much. If he takes a clements type contract, he’d be perfect. Still would draft kirkpatrkick or gilmore in the first.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He had 17 total penalites one of the most in the league last year
Why do u think they let him go so early. They knew they werent even thinking about keeping him
I wonder if he was left on a island?
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
did he take a 3 hour tour?
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
Lol, he mugged everybody on island
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 11:43 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
i agree with that
But it could be possible,that Oakland thought he was Revis,and he is just a decent player
There has to be some reason the guy tricked Oakland into that contract in the first place
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
He was mainly released because of the ridiculous contract Al Davis signed him to
In other words, even having committed 17 penalties, if Routt’s salary was half or even 75% of what he was due to make, hd likely would still be on the Raiders.
His penalties are worrisome, though, and I understand your point. They would be even more worrisome if they were PI, illegal contact, defensive holding, and personal foul penalties as opposed to say, jumping in the neutral zone on a corner blitz.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
8 tds resulted in those penalites
If he was on our team after that, we would be happy with his early release
by njbengalstat on Feb 15, 2012 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
No it worse when u off sides. As a coach u can accept ur guy wanting to be physical. When u having mental lapses on the feild though that’s horrible.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 12:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
See-->OCHO
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Agree that you want players to be physical
But you don’t want them to be stupid, either. Personal foul late hits out of bounds, for example, display great physical toughness, but they equally display stupidity and lack of discipline. Similarly, constant holding calls and illegal contact, while certainly characteristics of being physical, also evidence stupidity. The offsides on the corner blitz example I gave was meant more to describe an overaggressive play which can be fixed (I.e. Being anxious and jumping into the neutral zone just before the snap) as opposed to a stupid play (I.e. Lining up in the neutral zone).
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 15, 2012 12:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
oakland switched from a man on man scheme (like we run)
to a cover 2 scheme after losing there best corner back.
and with Breshanan as a coach ill give him a pass… (1 bad season happens)
by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 15, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
did not know they went to zone
Oakland obviously overpaid him, but when he was next to namdi, he put up really close numbers to him. He can be a good 2nd corner in a man defense. But wouldn’t pay him more than clements.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 12:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think the main reason
They are letting him walk is because he was making over 10m a year. He might not be worth 10m but that doesn’t mean he’s not worth 4-5 million
NO THANKS!!!
We are already one of most undisciplined teams in NFL. Why do we want the most penalized guy in NFL? He’s physical because he grabbing or holding receiver when he shouldn’t be. We need another Hall type, good discipline with great technique. If he wants 2-3 mil cool but anything more I wouldn’t touch him.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 11:41 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Raiders fans dont like him
This not a J.joe situation, the raider fans r happy to c him go
by njbengalstat on Feb 15, 2012 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
Were the nicest fans in the whole wide world of sports. Why the hell would we want a guy that almost had more penalties than tackles? Seems to me another Jennings…
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 11:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
completely wrong
jennings had a lot of tackles and no penalties… compare him to someone else.
by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 15, 2012 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Lol my bad… Who then? If I can’t compare u to Jennings I mean this dude shouldn’t even be a topic if discussion…
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 12:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I compare him to a faster Leon Hall
He was great as a #2 but struggled to be the #1 man
Hall probably smartest player on our team if not NFL… Please don’t disrespect him like that
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 2:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He's a good player
The comparison is they both struggled when asked to be the #1 guy. Leon was not exactly tearing it up before he got hut
More like Pac-Man. Rely on speed too much and gets away from using technique
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 2:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
raiders fans are probably happy to see him go
Because he is way over paid.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 12:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Im sure eatting up cap space is a hugh factor
Matched will those numbers equal pink slip
by njbengalstat on Feb 15, 2012 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
but hes a good number 2
Not a star like they tried to think he was when he got paid. He’s a good enough player to warrent a look.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 12:49 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Maybe a look
Id rather get another guy in FA or draft someone. Hes not the solution we need for our corner problems esp when the league is going more passing. We need to shut down guys and with a couple in FA and some nice ones in the draft, hopefully we take care of this THIS year
by njbengalstat on Feb 15, 2012 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
hes not my first choice
I’d much rather draft someone, and even signing routt I still would draft gilmore. But he can play, and can help us win. I don’t really like any other corner from free agency more than routt, they’re all pretty equal to me.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 1:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Would love Carr
But i think the Chef r gonna sign bowe and him
by njbengalstat on Feb 15, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
yea i dont see carr leaving
Same as Carlos rodgers. The others finnigan, routt, ext. Are all close in terms of price/production. Finnigans better, but will get way more than I’d pay for him, routts not as good, but should get what he’s worth and still be a good player.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 1:24 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
does anybody have the football focus ratings on Routt vs. the guys we have in house?
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
pro football focus
Josh posts them occasionally.
I think you have to have a special pay account to get access to them.
They rank players with numerical values like +3.2 run defense, -0.7 pass defense, etc…
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
And they are very methodical about how they rank people.
They break down each snap the player is involved in and give them a grade based on how they performed.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 15, 2012 2:58 PM EST up reply actions
these are his 2011 ratings
Stanford Routt OAK
snaps:1133
overall-6.7
pass rush:-0.1
coverage: 4.1
run defense: 1.2
penalties: -11.9
total penalties called: 17-0
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by Brennen Warner on Feb 15, 2012 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
How long did it take those guys to become good players?
Bengals have to find starters before the season who can play at a high level because they can only assume Clements, Ghee and some street guys are their corners going into the season. Hall is probably heading to PUP.
FA gets you experienced guys who can play now. Yes they are expensive at the Namdi level but so are a great many other guys in FA. If expense turns you off, then you’re in the MB school of management as that is how they are always 10’s of millions below the cap.
If the Bengals were drafting in the top 10, I’d say the draft is the way to go, but they aren’t and they likely will face getting the 3red or 4th best CB who might not be any more than a nickel corner his first year.
I’d rather they use the 17th and 21st for the best player at the position, someone that starts day 1.
I can name 25+ cb
That’s either a free agent or in draft that better than Routt. I’m not trying just fill up a roster with other teams trash anymore, I’m tryin win with proven guys.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 11:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Good thing your not in charge brother
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Imagine
Just imagine if they got Carl Nicks and a solid corner in free agency before the draft.
Now sitting there with two ones and two glaring needs addressed, what would you do?
Trading up for Richardson if necessary becomes a possibility.
Taking a risk on someone they know wont be there at #53 with the 21st pick because the #17 gives them a “free” pick.
I continue to believe they need to address corner and o-line in free agency, and Lawson and Howard proved how effective a “second week” free agent can be if you are very dilligent in scouting the right ones.
This draft needs to be about polishing the rough edges, not filling critical needs. It’s a rare rookie who comes in and plays like a pro, and the needs at corner and OG make me want a veteran.
I want Richardson at 17, I want a reach, or whoever falls at 21 (DeCastro?) and I want Barron, who is currently rated the #44 player by PFT to fall to Cincinnati at #53 because of his injury and the fact that he won’t work out at the combine or pro day.
Pipe Dream? Maybe. But I guarantee you that team makes some noise.
Howard or Lawson didn’t set the world on fire. Neither are guaranteed a starting job next year. We need playmakers on defense, not guys that help the other team beat us.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 12:02 PM EST via mobile reply actions
You have that Singletary thing going on
A bunch of talk,with no clue about what your talking about
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
i know
New lb coach said he wants 3best lb on feild. So without hurting feelings he CLEARLY was saying the teams best 3 lb weren’t on the feild together this year.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 12:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
no that's not what he was saying at all...
Saying I want the three best LBs on the field is just a philosophy. It doesn’t say anything about the guys that were playing last year. And I can’t see anyone challenging Howard for the weak side and probably not anyone to replace Lawson either unless he isn’t resigned or unless Mock comes in and tears it up this year.
agree
The only thing he could have been saying was what he did say, Rey needs to step up.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 12:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Rey went down for couple games and his replacement clearly wasn’t an upgrade. I don’t think he was just talking bout him. He said Rivers and Rey were drafted high and its the coaches job to get them to play up to there draft pick. Rivers and Rey seem like there not getting replaced. And Rivets is better than Howard to me so he would seem odd man out.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 1:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
howard has played better than rivers
I don’t see how that can be debated. Feud back up middle backer wasn’t an upgrade, but maybe Howard, rivers, Lawson would be the best 3.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 1:37 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Moch wouldn't be a full time player anyway
He’s a pass rusher specialist. At least this year, that’s all he’d be.
Yeah Moch is a major project at LB
Especially after hardly seeing the field this season. He’s already way behind the 8 ball. I could Muckelroy coming in and busting chops for a starting position for sure though.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 15, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Why even mention it if ur three best LBs were on feild? He had to think it was someone more deserving to play but there were so called out of position. U don’t mention u want something u already have.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 15, 2012 1:25 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He made a general statement that any position coach would make when first hired....
“We just need to make sure we have our best guys out there.”
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 15, 2012 1:33 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
It's coach talk...
He’s saying it not only because it’s the right thing to say to fans, etc, but also gets the most out of your players. If they think they could get replaced they are going to do their best to make sure they don’t. But I know no matter how logical we are you will most likely not concede that you may be wrong here.
Routt is decent
He was used wrong in Oakland in Bresnahan’s scheme. He’s not great off man but he’s a physical corner who presses well. If he’s used in press, he could be a good asset to us. Price will obviously be the determining factor.
It's getting to where we should just merge the Bengals and Raiders into one team
by emeybee on Feb 15, 2012 12:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Raider's=Bengals farm club
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
i think weve taken almost everyone worth it from them
The only ones left would be mcfadden, denarus Moore, and their LG on offense, and their safties on defense.
by JCompton41 on Feb 15, 2012 1:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I'd love to snag Branch from them.
I’d take him over Routt considering our Safety situation right now.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 15, 2012 1:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Routt is a waste of money
There is a reason the Raiders Signed him to a long term deal then bit the bullet and released him this year. Save your money to bid for the best guard in the nfl in Carl Nicks, then draft Decastro in the first round if he falls. Games are won up front.!!! Our D-line is full of amazing young talent, now its time to focus on the o-line . Could you imagine out line looking like this : Whitworth,Nicks, Cook, DeCastro, Smith !!! that is one of the best lines in the league off the bat. Then you can get a Janoris Jenkins or Dre Kirkpatrick with the 21 st pick and they both have potential that is through the roof
by thegrassisGREENer18 on Feb 15, 2012 5:29 PM EST reply actions
Are we forgetting why this guy was cut...
from an exceptionally bad defense nonetheless? If he’s really our best option this free agency then Mike and Marvin really have to re-sort what their priorities are for this team. Although I suppose Zimmer has taken guys that Bresnahan coached in the past and turned them into more productive players. To me this looks too much like Kelly Jennings all over again. Finnegan and Carr are much better options than Routt.
Cut because they changed systems from the system that he excels in
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 15, 2012 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Understandable...
but why choose to sign a guy like Routt when right now the Titans are letting Cortland Finnegan test the markets? I understand this is MB we’re talking about but come on. BPA should be targeted if we’re looking to address corner or safety in FA and Routt doesn’t even come close to that title. Plus the system they had last year that Routt exceled in was a pretty bad system considering they were near the bottom of the league in defensive rankings.
In all honesty this visit may not even happen.
One angle we need to look at in this situation is what if Routt decides to do research on the Bengals by talking to Carson because if he does that there’s no chance he’s coming here anyway. Carson will most likely try to steer him in another direction.
I always believe that a change
Of scenery/scheme can do wonders for a player. Our coaches have done a great job getting the best out of our DB’s. Nelson, Jennings, and Jones are a good example of that. Pac couldn’t hold a job which might have been due to off field stuff and Jennings played better here than in Seattle. He has a different roll here than he did there but the coaches know where and how to play him. Nelson has turned a big corner from his Jax days. They brought in Mays to see what they can do with him. I know we need instant first day type help but maybe they see something in this guy. Instead of bringing back Pac or Jennings maybe this guy fits the roll they would play better.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 15, 2012 10:26 PM EST via Android app reply actions
We'll need as many good CBs as we could get
Not only in FA, also in the 1st round (Clements is old, Hall is injured, Jones and Jennings are free agents, Ghee is … ).
Anyway, I think we do not need a CB1 in FA (but in draft) . Routt is an upgrade over Jennings and Jones and he could be an adecuate CB2/CB3 if his price is reasonable.
In 2010
He had opponents to a 39.4 completion percentage that’s why they picked him Asumuya and then Breshahan goes and changes there coverage scheme to compensate for loosing Asumuya. Our system is more similiar to what he excelled in

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