Signing Offensive Guard Carl Nicks Could Shape The Bengals Future
by Josh Kirkendall on Feb 19, 2012 5:00 PM EST
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+ What do Bobbie Williams, Nate Livings and Mike McGlynn have in common, besides being offensive guards? And saying that they're terrible isn't acceptable because even though Williams is older, he's still one of the league's better guards, listed as the Bengals best offensive lineman in 2011 by Pro Football Focus. The answer is that all three will be free agents this year, leaving Clint Boling and Otis Hudson as the remaining guards signed in 2012. If you groaned about Cincinnati's offensive line last year, think about that this year.
It's generally why the Bengals are selecting offensive guards in your variety mock draft. However with a reported $60 million available in cap space this year, the Bengals can be much more aggressive in free agency, looking to acquire one of the league's best guards, who will surely command a lot of money because of the demand in the NFL, provided that the New Orleans Saints fail to prevent Carl Nicks from leaving for free agency.
Jeffri Chadiha with ESPN.com writes about five free agents who could shape next season, listing Carl Nick as one. He writes:
Nicks is another Pro Bowl player who finds himself in an unsettling place. As much as he'd like to continue being a part of a Saints offensive line that has helped drive one of the league's top offenses, he also has to be realistic. The Saints have to work out a long-term deal with Brees. The team has a few other free agents to address, most notably wide receiver Marques Colston and cornerback Tracy Porter. Finally, Nicks hasn't been thrilled about the lack of communication from the front office since the end of the season. If the Saints really want to lock him up, they have a strange way of showing their commitment. The tough part here for New Orleans is that Nicks knows his value. The Saints gave fellow guard Jahri Evans a seven-year, $56.7 million deal in 2010, making him the highest paid interior lineman in football. Nicks certainly would want more than that, and the Saints might not have the luxury of putting the franchise tag on him if Brees' negotiations aren't settled quickly. Don't expect Nicks to linger if he's free to talk to other teams come March 13. He's worth every bit of the $8 million to $9 million he'd be seeking annually, and his departure would be a huge blow to the Saints' offensive line.
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$8-9 mill per..........sold!
Please get Nicks in stripes………
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 19, 2012 5:06 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I would love to get this guy, but here's a problem i can forsee,
A.J. and AD are in their new cba rookie deals. They are basically not getting paid at all. If they put up a season even close to last years we are going to have to renegotiate both contracts. Depending on how much cap we eat up this year, next year we are going to have to free up some space to extend these guys.
They have 4 year deals, next year is only year 2.............
plus, signing Nicks alone isn’t going to eat up all that money. We could sign a couple higher price guys and still have plenty to put towards our guys. Plus, we are going to be letting some guys walk via FA too.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 19, 2012 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
Don't have to franchise next year, they are on a 4 year deal.
Next year is only year 2…………on year 3 is when we’ll start looking to extend.
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 19, 2012 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
Your simulating to far in the future
Hell we could win 2 super bowls,or both guys could get career ending injuries
The benefit of building through the draft is that rookie contract
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
If anybody,
it would be Dalton. Even though the rookie wage scale isn’t what it used to be, I do believe AJ cleaned house with 20 mill guaranteed, am I not correct? Not chump change my friend. Renegotiate for Dalton and AJ after year three.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 19, 2012 8:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
cant extend rookies till AFTER there 3rd year
and by that point the floor will have hit which means we must have 89% in base salary (not bonuses not incentives but base salary) this is the type of contract that will help that
by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 20, 2012 10:07 AM EST up reply actions
I would pay him if i was the Bengals
They got the money and Nicks is proven. He will upgrade the OL and that will be a plus for AD. I can see the Bengals doing this for there young O. Give the man $8.5 and put him in stripes.
This is the most exciting offseason i can remember
To have such a young talented team and just having the thought that we have the money in FA to fill our holes. Then goin to the draft picking BPA is awesome
If ever there were a time for Brown to surprise us...
Now would be that time. Kendall Wright anyone? Grabbing a Guard in FA and eliminating the absolute need to do so in the first round of the draft really puts the Bengals in great position to blow up the offense. Green, Wright, Shipley, Gresham…wow.
+1
That’s what i’m saying…i’d rather take Kendall Wright than give up a 1st for Mike Wallace…We need a guy like Wright with Blazing speed who can create seperation and get open quick…if we sign Nicks we wouldn’t have to take a Guard in the 1st round but maybe the 2nd or 3rd.
1st RD-Kendall Wright-WR
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Keenan Robinson-OLB
5th RD-Devon Wylie-WR
6th RD-Julian Miller-DE
7th RD-Bob Hebert-C
FA:
OG
RB
SS
CB
Id like to get Nicks
And Wallace and the 17th pick
by quickslant on Feb 19, 2012 5:31 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If that happens to be kirkpatrick
We would dominate
by quickslant on Feb 19, 2012 5:32 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hear you, but at what cost would Wallace come?
Multiple picks and a big chunk of cash? Plus, I’d prefer the Bengals go after someone that compliments Green, not compete with him for touches. And Green will eventually need to be paid…Not sure how things would work with both Wallace and Green.
yea wallace will have to get a huge contract
Would prefer that money to go elsewhere.
by JCompton41 on Feb 19, 2012 6:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What do you mean elsewhere?
We need a #1B or #2 receiver across from AJ. I’m tired of people saying use the draft to get a WR. Mike Wallace is a proven play-maker and is only 25!!! Give him six mill a year and the 21st pick and you’re golden.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 19, 2012 8:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
wallace will get paid as a top wideout
Like aj will in a few years. We don’t need two superstar wideouts. We need a superstar guard, like nicks or grubbs, that’s where we should spend the money.
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 9:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I would be very suprised if Nicks hits the market.
The Bengals went hard after Robert Gallery last year before he signed with Seattle and if Nicks or Grubbs hit FA the Bengals would go hard after them.
Bobbie Williams is a very good player but I would like to see a younger player take over the RG spot.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
by lightskin350 on Feb 19, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Nicks is hitting the Market
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Your Welcome MR.BROKEBACK
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Maybe i was a little to sensitive to being called Miss Cleo
My apologies to any homosexuals who may find that offensive
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Lmao!
That’s the funniest thing I have ever read on a sports blog. I can’t stop laughing.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 19, 2012 10:57 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I would be very suprised if Nicks hits the market.
The Bengals went hard after Robert Gallery last year before he signed with Seattle and if Nicks or Grubbs hit FA the Bengals would go hard after them.
Bobbie Williams is a very good player but I would like to see a younger player take over the RG spot.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
by lightskin350 on Feb 19, 2012 5:21 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He's gone dude
It’s almost guaranteed.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 19, 2012 8:14 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nicks is gone, no question.
Nicks should be our #1 player on our free agent board, it starts up front, so why not sign a big deal for the leagues best LG.
I’ve been hearing ESPN’s Adam Schefler talk about this situation and from what he’s been saying itsdoubtful that the saints will keep Nicks, they got Colston, Porter, and of coarse Brees to long term deals, and they arent going to give that kind of money to Nicks. Nicks has had a couple quotes about him wanting to see whats in free agency. So he’ll be there i just hope the bengals jump all over it. if not Ben Grubbs is another prowl bowl caliber guard that will be hitting free agency as well.
but can you imagine if they got Nicks, and then with that 17th overall pick drafted that Decastro if he fell to us for our RG spot ?
Whitworth, Nicks, Cook, Decastro, Smith
That sounds easily like a top 10 o-line in the NFL
by thegrassisGREENer18 on Feb 19, 2012 5:30 PM EST reply actions
would be great
This team is only going to improve this offseason. Really can’t see anything that would be bad. They could sign a decent starter LG, and draft upshaw and Barron, and be improved. Or draft a guard and corner and be improved, really no bad scenerios I can think of.
by JCompton41 on Feb 19, 2012 6:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
there are like 3 or 4 OG we could sign in the offseason and I would be estatic about it.
Nicks would be on top of my list, but he will definitely talk to us, at least to raise up the bids. So I think this could be a possibility.
We have the money to front load the contract , so it wont hurt us resigning Andy, AJ and Geno down the road.
AMAS
with 60 mil
Signing a big free agent still leaves us with enough to extend the key players.
by JCompton41 on Feb 19, 2012 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Nicks should be the main target
He is young and OG is a safe position to pay money to in free agency. Signing him and a couple other players shouldnt have any impact on extending other players. Nicks or Grubbs are no brainers.
by EPK1979 on Feb 19, 2012 6:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
A little off topic
With all the names being thrown around, I wonder why Amhad Brooks isn’t being mentioned. I really liked him while he was here, and he is just starting to hit his prime. 7 sacks and fifty tackles is an upgrade over any linebacker we have, and we probably could get him at a decent price. Imagine adding him in there with with Dunlap and Atkins. I also would love to get Nicks. Hopefully MB will continue suprising us.
well, he got himself run out of town
you don’t recall the punching the woman incident?
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
i wish he wasnt such an idiot
He would be good in the middle.
by JCompton41 on Feb 19, 2012 6:20 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He should be looking for mad cash this time around
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
Nicks should be our FA splash
Then maybe 2 more hole filler’s,not WALLACE,AND MANNING for all of you Madden lover’s
"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"
have to admit
the dream of putting green on the field with wallace and shipley, yeah, that would be a hellva madden team.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Yeah
I remember that, and it was in the middle of all the other arrests, but we are notorious for giving second chances. This is one I wouldn’t mind giving another chance to. I think (although I haven’t kept up on him that much) he has kept his nose clean while in SF.
as far as i know
the dumbest thing brooks did in san fran happened on the practice field and it was hardly an incident. stuff like that happens all the time at practice.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Seems guys only get in trouble around Cincy area!
Except Benson. Maybe a pattern or just me not being from around the area.
Heck yeah....
And then sign up all of the other fa players we like to!
by Makebelieve on Feb 19, 2012 7:20 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Sign Nicks for $8-9 million a season,
Draft DeCastro at 17, and you have your offensive line set for 4-5 years. Maybe get Janoris Jenkins at 21, David Wilson in the 2nd, and we’re looking at something special.
We are in a position this offseason to be a serious force within the next couple of years. I hope Mike Brown realizes the potential and doesn’t sit on all this cap space.
by johnson_cody_18 on Feb 19, 2012 8:45 PM EST reply actions
Give me Doug Martin over David Wilson
and you’ve got one hell of an idea my friend.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 19, 2012 9:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Totally agree with johnson_cody_18, ONE MILLION PERCENT!!
Whitworth, Nicks(FA), DeCastro(#17), Anthony Collins (re-sign him), Cook, Boiling & Depth back-ups
Jenkins or Kirkpatrick @ 21
Best available RB in 2nd rd.
Best available WR in 3rd rd.
RB LaMichael James from Oregon in 4th
2 picks in the 5th (fill needs).
1pick in the 6th (fill needs).
1 pick in the 7th. (fill needs).
and does anybody know if we get a compensatory pick for J.Joe??
SOUNDS LIKE AN AFC NORTH TITLE TO ME!!
"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"
Maximus*
DeCastro and Kirkpatrick would be the perfect 1st round!
"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
- Sam Wyche
by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
If I were the GM
First I spend the money and get Carl Nicks !! (OG done) If Routt goes to KC,they will release Brandon Carr and I sign him..(CB done) If this does not happen then I sign Cortland Finnegan or Routt——really like Finnegan alot so I might just sign him and forget the others.Brandon Carr is 25 , Finnegan and Routt are 28,so staying young was my main thought .Ok ,now I’m ready for the draft.
FA PICKUPS
(OG) Carl Nicks
(CB) Carr , Finnegan or Routt
DRAFT
1 (17) Trent Richardson (RB)
1b (21) Michael Floyd (WR)
2 (35) Stephon Gilmore — if we only got one in FA
3 (DE)
4 (S)
4 (LB)
5 (OL)
6 (DL)
7 (RB) or (WR)
= Championship!!
Kenneth Michael Powers
If I were the GM part 2
If DeCastro is there at 17 ,I may take him over Richarson.He may not even be on the board still. That would give us Nicks and DeCastro as our starting guards. Then I would get Doug Martin in the second round. etc
Kenneth Michael Powers
DeCastro over Richardson?
I don’t think either will still be on the board, let alone both of them, but this is a problem I’d love to have! If we sign Nicks, I don’t think there’s an option…Richardson…no brainer. But I do agree with the post previous to this = Doug Martin > David Wilson
by HearThemBengalsGrowling on Feb 19, 2012 11:58 PM EST reply actions
Worth Noting
Nicks already has that Superbowl Ring. Might not feel the need to go looking for a big market-immediate-contender. As long as he gets a team to dish out $8-9 Million a year and show him a little love from the front office, he’d be a happy lineman.
Fingers crossed.
I want to get my hopes up for Nicks
But I can’t. Every team in the NFL needs and wants a Pro Bowl G and there are plenty of teams with the cash to go after him. I think the Bengals offer to pay him what he is worth but I think someone else will step up and over pay him. The market to sign him will be hot and heavy and it will be interesting to see what MB does.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
2013 Bengal HAVE to SPEND this CAP MONEY
This is good news because by 2013 the Bengal have CAP LIMIT @ the bottom and they are now FAR from that # so look to sign a few good Free agent’s!
I think Marvin might get Mikey to spend on "Nicks"
They’ve been seeing eye to eye lately (with dividends) something Mikey likes.
Big feeling that Mikey wants to win back fans by completely SHOCKING us
and finally putting the TEAM 1st.
I know most of you don’t think Mikey is capable of “changing his spots”
but I have a “Gut” feeling that He will surprise the hell out of us.
I think he realizes after “lowest attendance” in league that we are serious and that
if he goes about his “status quo” ways this year that we could be forming picket lines
this year.
I really feel though, that he enjoyed the whole “Exec of the Year” thing along with
the “Credit” on the Carson trade and he’s saying to himself…………………….
I like this “getting love” thing and it’s only a “Win-Win” for me cause as “Carl M” say’s
above………….We gotta spend by " 2013" anyway.
I’m praying, cause with good FA signings and a smart draft, the whole complexion
of the AFC North would change in our favor for the next 4-6 yrs.
A true “changing of the guard” (so to speak).
C’MON MIKEY……………YOU CAN DO IT MAN!!!
( Voice of Rob Schneider in every Adam Sandler movie).
"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"
Maximus*
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