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If we've learned one thing it should be players that are under contract can also be utilized as assets, especially when you already have a back up plan in place.

In another post, I suggested using Andre Smith as chip to make a trade for Darren McFadden. Although, I'd love to acquire McFadden one of the main reasons behind the post was because I'm worried about loosing Anthony Collins to another team in FA. One way to avoid this would be to trade Andre Smith (for something) and offer Anthony Collins a starting role on our team. If not, I think it's really going to suck having to watch him become a perennial pro bowler for another team (Mathis anyone), which is a real possibility when he walks in FA this year.

I will concede Andre Smith probably does have bigger upside than Anthony Collins, but I've also seen very little difference in the production on the field. As I stated, one of my biggest fears is Anthony Collins walks (for a chance to start with another team), but then the worst case scenario plays out and we loose Andre Smith next year as well.

If you really think about it, it's not that far fetched. I think most of us can easily see Collins walking for a chance to start. However, I can also see Andre Smith dominating next year (a good thing), it's a contract year and that's kind of been his MO. The problem I can see arising, is the Bengals are likely to grade him on his overall body of work during contract negotiations, however he's going to want to be paid on just his recent performance. If they can't come to terms he could walk and we would be totally screwed and have to start all over at right tackle.

Well here's my plan.

Sign Anthony Collins to a long term deal, he should be a lot cheaper for us to resign this year than Andre Smith will be next year. In fact, since Collins has not been a full time starter and has only had limited playing time, I'm thinking we could still get him for a bargain price as a starter. I think some where in the range of 5 years 18-20 million dollars would be more than enough to retain him. It also would be a very good value for a quality starting right tackle. IMO we would loose very production from the position, if any and our right tackle position would be sured up through the 2016 season.

Next move, utilize our assets. Trade Andre Smith and our 4th round pick this year (maybe even a 3rd next year, if necessary) to the Kansas City Chiefs (they are in desperate need of a right tackle) to move up (6 spots) and take David DeCastro, assuming he's available. With the new rookie wage scale we would be able to sign him for 4 years at about 9 million dollars and we would have him locked up through the 2015 season.

Kyle Cook and Andrew Whitworth have both already been extended, so we are set at both of those positions through the 2015 season as well.

Last move, since we are now basically only paying our right tackle (Anthony Collins) guard type money, we could go out and sign a stud guard (Carl Nicks) and pay him tackle type money at 7 years, 56 million dollars and he would be signed through the 2018 season.

Our O-line for the next 4-5 years would consist of Anthony Collins (an above average tackle), Andrew Whitworth (a great tackle), Kyle Cook (very good center), David DeCastro (best interior line prospect in years), and Carl Nicks (arguably the best guard in the game).

As a whole, we are not overpaying the group because Anthony Collins and Carl Nicks kind of off set each others salaries. For us to make this happen we do NOT have to give up all that much either, we just need to use our assets wisely.

We now not only have a dominat line but we still have our other first round pick to take a CB, and our second round pick to take a RB.

Just one final note: I have nothing against Andre Smith and I actually think he's turning into a fine player. However, I also think because he played so well this past year that his stock has never been higher. With Anthony Collins sitting in the wings, I beleive Andre Smith may be more valuable to us as a bargaining chip rather than a player on the field.

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors. It does reflect the views of this particular fan though, which is as important as the views of Cincy Jungle's writers or editors.

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WE NEED TO GET THIS POST TO MARVIN & MIKEY !!!!!!!!! ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Biggie, This is the most intelligent, rational reasoning I’ve heard…………….

I’m hoping…Jason, Josh, Anthony, Goodberry, Harper, BeerRun, etc.
can get this post in the right hands.

Not only is it affordable, but we’d be set!!

A great O-Line! (Grubbs, if Nicks isn’t avail).

A CB

A RB

and use the rest of the picks for WR, DB’s , & DL

WE NEED TO GET THIS POST TO MARVIN & MIKEY !!!!!!!!!

"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"

Maximus*

by gratefulmax on Feb 2, 2012 1:46 PM EST reply actions  

Thanks

Even if we do not make this particular trade. I think signing Collins (who is a good player) to a long term deal and trying to get something in return for Andre Smith would make a lot more sense to us financially, (maybe not in short term) especially if your looking long term.

by biggie22 on Feb 2, 2012 2:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree completely

This is EXACTLY what I’m hoping for, but fear there’s no chance of.

Except for the trade up part, which seems to outlandish to even hope for. Are the teams between the Chiefs and Bengals particularly desperate for a guard?

I still don’t see DeCastro going that high. The only Guard drafted above 17 in the last 10 years (that actually plays guard, not tackle, in the NFL) is Pouncey and he was taken at 15. One guy in 10 years. I know DeCastro is a good prospect, but not best in 10+ years good.

by indesignkat on Feb 3, 2012 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, to be honest

I’m not sure we would have to trade up either but it would almost asure we did not miss out him. Again, the main point is instead of loosing Collins, I think it would be smart to sign him long term deal as a starter at a very good price and then try and get someting for Andre Smith while we have him under our control

by biggie22 on Feb 3, 2012 2:54 PM EST up reply actions  

Anthony Collins

Isn’t he more of a developmental player? In the games he played I don’t remember him being overly impressive, good on pass protection, but can’t get out on the run?

I agree on IMO your biggest point Biggie22. Now is the time to get something for Andre Smith cause he is, and has been a big disappointment overall. Yes, he did kinda show up this year, but I just think he’s no longer worth it. And if it means Collins gets the nod, I’ll roll with ya.
Denise Roland, with 5 years under his belt is good on the run plays and will get better at holding his blocks. And truthfully, I actually beleive O’Donnell has the potential to become a great Tackle once he is more acclimated to the NFL coming from the Canadian League. He is only 22, is big and will be stronger and probably faster next season. So YES, let’s get something for Smith now.

I represent the Bengals of Cincinnati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!

by Law1951 on Feb 3, 2012 1:32 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know if I would really consider him a developmental player

He was a 4th round draft pick, and virtually everytime he has had a chance to play he has performed very well, according to PFF standards. If he walks this year, it’s a pretty good bet he could start right away for another team

by biggie22 on Feb 3, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

sorry, but you're wrong

He was the best guy on the line after Whitworth every time he was on the field.

by indesignkat on Feb 3, 2012 2:03 PM EST up reply actions  

WHO???

I represent the Bengals of Cincinnati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!

by Law1951 on Feb 3, 2012 4:48 PM EST up reply actions  

About Collins?
About Smith?
Abount Roland?
Abount O’Donnel?
Who?

I represent the Bengals of Cincinnati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!

by Law1951 on Feb 3, 2012 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

Collins

I think he’s talking about being wrong about Collins being a developmental player

by biggie22 on Feb 3, 2012 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Collins, I thought that was obvious

Dennis Roland was not better at run blocking. he was put in there a lot in run blocking, but Collins was better. Most of us said that during the games, but ProFootballFocus said the same thing in their analyses.

by indesignkat on Feb 3, 2012 5:47 PM EST up reply actions  

O'Donnell was a rookie OT last year

out of Canada. I believe he was on the practice squad all year.

by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 3, 2012 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

OK,, Gotcha..

And the O’Donnel question was answered already.. Thanks

I represent the Bengals of Cincinnati with extreme passion and prejudice and make no apologies for it!

by Law1951 on Feb 4, 2012 9:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Collins is the real deal Y'all!

"What we do in this life echoes in eternity"

Maximus*

by gratefulmax on Feb 3, 2012 6:30 PM EST up reply actions  

One thing which will come back to bite us is the draft

If Collins goes to one of these teams in need of a RT ie Cheifs or even Arizona they will not have to spend high pick on T both of these teams would then look to DeCastro stopping any slight chance of him falling to us. The other point is do we really want Dennis Roland as Backup

by messjunk on Feb 3, 2012 5:46 PM EST reply actions  

No to Roland

Lurch on Addams’ Family was cool, not so much the Lurch on the Bengals roster

by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 3, 2012 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

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