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If The Bengals Sign Him: Don't Expect Stanford Routt To Become An Answer To Any Question

OAKLAND CA - SEPTEMBER 19:  Stanford Routt #26 of the Oakland Raiders intercepts a pass intended for Laurent Robinson #19 of the St. Louis Rams at the Oakland-Alameda County Coliseum on September 19 2010 in Oakland California.  (Photo by Ezra Shaw/Getty Images)

+ Former Oakland Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt visited the Cincinnati Bengals on Friday. Two days later Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio published that Routt would come to a decision on his future very soon -- most likely because the interest generally wasn't there. And maybe the interest isn't particularly strong because he's not an especially good cornerback, if one were to believe the grades at Pro Football Focus.

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This is one of those times my dependence on Pro Football Focus tends to be weary. I know that the film they watch is mostly television broadcasts, probably using replays from NFL's Game Rewind. In that case not every defensive back can be judged because there's a significant time in which defensive backs (along with wide receivers) are out of frame, therefore out of sight.

We can only assume that those grades are being weighted and judged by the plays in which that player is involved. Now that would mostly apply to a player's overall statistics allowed in the secondary, not the grade. For instance in 2010, Routt posted an opposing quarterback rating of 69.0 and allowed only 42.4 percent of the passes against his receivers to be completed. Seems rather impressive. Yet that year Routt earned a grade of -9.3. What's up with that?

The Pro Football Focus grade is accumulation of other grades. For instance that year Routt's pass coverage was actually scored a +1.5, but the penalties he earned cost him -7.2 points. Combine that with a -4.0 score on run defense, and you see the point. So for our purposes we list his overall grade (PFF), as well as his coverage grade (Cov.). And the final category we're calling "OQBR", which stands for Opposing Quarterback Rating.

Season PFF Cov. Pct. Cmp TD INT OQBR
2011 -6.7 +4.1 51.1 9 4 82.4
2010 -9.3 +1.5 42.4 4 2 69.0
2009 -7.6 -3.7 71.4 2 0 124.1
2008 0.1 2.8 48.5 2 0 89.2

Routt isn't a player that the Bengals should view as some Johnathan Joseph replacement -- Cincinnati has yet to sign that player, either from the NFL draft or free agency. That being said we wouldn't be surprised if Routt went with the one-year route, trying to rebuild his talents for another contract year in 2013.

And that's the point.

There's questions about Leon Hall's rehabilitation and whether he'll be ready for the regular season or spending the first six weeks on the Physically Unable To Perform List. Adam Jones and Kelly Jennings are entering free agency with expiring contracts, leaving Nate Clements as your only "sure thing" heading into the 2012 season. That's a 32-year old sure-thing to you, Mister.

Does this change anything for the NFL draft this year? No. Cincinnati could (and probably will) select a Janoris Jenkins or Dre Kirkpatrick (or whomever your favorite cornerback is this week). If the team signs the former Raiders cornerback, he would become a means to bridge a gap, repair a Mount Everest-sized leak in the secondary.

And that's the point.

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Ill pass.

Id rather wait for FA and the draft to get a corner. As far as dept, i would save that money and try to go after the Chefs Carr

by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Would love to go after Carr

He would pretty much stand to be the JJ replacement. But a move like that is hardly MB-like. Then again, last year up to now hasn’t really been MB-like. Still, Routt is much more likely than Carr and I’d be happy with the addition.

by M Shop on Feb 20, 2012 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Who would you sign in FA?

Carr? KC will resign him. They have $67 mil under cap, you think they can’t afford Carr?

Who else?

We need depth. We have none. I think we still draft a CB but how many CBs are successful their first year?

by Mexal on Feb 20, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

"We have none" ?

There r 6 corners on the roster and everyones pushing to draft a corner early on

by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Carr is not a RFA. Hes anyones game

Id even take barber over routt or Gay from shitsburg

by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 11:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Who said he was?

My point is KC has the money to get him back and will. He’s too important to their defense.

by Mexal on Feb 20, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions  

And we have the money too

However we dont have a “bowe” that we need sign. Carr is goin to go where the best offer is

by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

They have 67 mil under the cap

They can sign Bowe and Carr, front load both salaries and still be set for future years. I would be very very surprised if KC let Carr go.

by Mexal on Feb 20, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

As of the beginning of 2012, that's not true

Hall is coming back from a terrible injury. Clements is a decent #2 though better suited for safety this late in his career. Jones is FA and not very good. Jennings is a FA and not very good. Who’s left? Ghee, Murray? Guys that never see the field? Ok, we’re good. We don’t need any new corners. That’s the secondary of all secondaries [/sarcasm]

by Mexal on Feb 20, 2012 12:29 PM EST up reply actions  

The season hasnt even begun

Thats our roster now, of course its goin to change. We need a number 1 corner and Carr would be a great fit

by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions  

^This

Rout obviously has some raw tools, so let’s see what Carrier can do with him.

Carr is going to get resigned by KC, and it’ll take Asomugha type money to do it (5 yrs, 60 million). I’d love for the Bengals to go after him, but they balked at signing Joseph for much less (5 yrs, 49 million).

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 11:53 AM EST up reply actions  

IMO we SHOULD sign him

If it’s only for one year that’s fine but we should get the deal done. It appears he’s getting beat up because he was paid like an elite CB and even though he’s not an elite (top 5 CB) he’s an above average CB and they are pretty hard to come by in the NFL.

Plus IMO PFF is a good tool for grading lineman, but I’m not sold on there grades for skilled players. Remember, eveng though it wasn’t a grade they had Ced Benson rated as a top 50 FA

by biggie22 on Feb 20, 2012 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

I think he most likely lands here, with the Oak connections and all would make sense.

We just can’t expect this guy to be a shutdown corner or anything and judging by most peoples responses, no one is anticipating this. If he’s a 1-2 year guy here, then that would be fine for us both. Draft a couple CB’s this year and we’ll be fine.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 9:39 AM EST reply actions  

Which makes sense, how crazy does that deal he signed with Oakland look now? lol

"The next person you see that throws something, point em out! You don’t live in Cleveland, you live in Cincinnati!"
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

lol right

bengals are sitting pretty this offeseason, we can upgrade a few postions and add a whole bunch of depth.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 20, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Which is why Cincy needs to be real careful with the "Mega" FA contracts

For ever Reggie White that changed a team – their are about 5 that did Ok and 5 that were busts – like Routt

Sign Grubbs or Nicks – more confident they will be around

Sign a Routt or other FA corner and use a first round pick on one, maybe Jones as well for depth PR

Sign Nelson and a SS FA to compete w/Mays

by TX Bengal on Feb 20, 2012 9:49 AM EST up reply actions  

I'd take Routt

Let him earn his way back to the big,long term contract,his skills are as good as any CB not named Hall,or Clements on this team

Of course we still have to draft a CB,and still re-sign those other 2 guys

To me,this is a no brainer,much like the Howard and Clements signings last season

"A team is more than a group of individuals,its a group of individuals that come together to make a team"

by keithp on Feb 20, 2012 9:50 AM EST reply actions  

i think he signs somewhere else

I think he gets a longer contract than one or two years, and don’t think the bengals do that. I think they draft one in round one and sign an older corner like clements for depth.

by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 9:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I think he isa starter

Only because hall probably won’t be ready..when you look at a signing like this you ask is it an upgrade? Imho absolutely its an upgrade

by beast_ on Feb 20, 2012 9:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I say sign him and draft a corner in the 1st round.

CB will then be good to go, with depth and talent.

We really need a good OG in FA too.

by TCfromDubVee on Feb 20, 2012 10:15 AM EST reply actions  

If we sign him...

…our draft strategy should remain the same. We need another shutdown corner for the next 4-5 years. Routt will be a nice stop gap and give us much needed secondary depth in a pass happy league.

I can assure that Zimmer will never say “I have too many good cornerbacks”

by goffchile on Feb 20, 2012 10:21 AM EST reply actions  

I just can't imagine he'll sign for less than what Leon got last year

Oakland gave him an absurd contract and he knows he won’t get that again, but he’s probably got it in his head that he’s a #1 corner now and he’ll want to get paid that way. That means making at LEAST what the guy playing across from him is making. This is why I was actually a little worried when Hue Jackson signed on. The guy has already shown in the last 6 months he doesn’t know how to manage personell. I can see him coming in and saying “Hey you guys, Routt is great! I love him! He’s worth every penny!” and Mike Brown going along with it. I’m similarly worried about his influence when/if Michael Bush hits free agency. We dont’ have a real scouting department so we’ll rely heavily on a guy the organization trusts who has intimate knowledge of another team’s players. In this case it’s going to be taking more scraps from Oakland and relying on a guy who just made one of the worst personell moves in the history of the league for guidance.

by eric nyc on Feb 20, 2012 11:06 AM EST reply actions  

He didn't sign Routt to that absurd contract

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the opposite given what Routt did last year for his team.

Now, if Jackson came in and said, “get Branch, he’s worth every penny,” then that’s what we want.

by Mexal on Feb 20, 2012 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

The big Question is

Is he better than Jones or Jennings? If so then sign him. I don’t think he asks much more than Jennings will ask for. If we can upgrade at any position even backups lets do it. It shouldn’t change our draft strategy at all but it may change how they look at other FA CB depending on his cost.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 20, 2012 11:09 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

No, the big question is

Is he 2 to 3 times as good as Jones or Jennings because that’s probably what he’ll cost. I don’t think there’s any way that he is. I’d rather go into the season with a questionable Leon, Clements, Jennings, and a high draft pick rookie (Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, or Gilmore). Plus we still have Ghee for a bit of insurance.

by eric nyc on Feb 20, 2012 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

You think he'll ask that much?

I don’t think he will but it really comes down to what other teams offer. Jennings was a starter in Seattle so I don’t think Rout gets much more. I like the list of CB you have but if they can move Jennings down to Ghees spot by adding a better CB it would be perfect. Rout deciding to jump into a new team before FA starts says alot to me. He knows his best chance to get on a team is before everyone hits the market, kind of a desperation move of sorts. Maybe not :-)

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 20, 2012 11:43 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I don't expect him to make it to the pro bowl

But having a starter is a no brainer even for one year. If Hall comes back 100% and the corner we get first round is a stud cover corner this guy becomes the FS to help with run stopping like hes suited. NEXT

by Loaded24 on Feb 20, 2012 11:21 AM EST reply actions  

So Rotoworld is speculating Routt signs with the Chiefs...

And they took that further and said Carr is likely out as a result….GO GET CARR

by M Shop on Feb 20, 2012 12:05 PM EST reply actions  

This really wouldn't shock me.

The point above about the Chiefs having tons of cap space is valid, but they also have Brandon Flowers, who’s even better. Do you really spend $50-60 million on a No. 2 corner? Probably not. Not after the Eagles’ defensive debacle. We’re in a different situation. Leon Hall is a really good but very imperfect corner, even when healthy. Add in the achilles injury and questions about whether he’ll EVER be able to cover top-flight WRs in this league again, and you realize how badly we could use a guy like Carr. The Chiefs have more cap space, but the Bengals may throw more money at Brandon Carr.

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by Pardon_My_French on Feb 20, 2012 7:55 PM EST up reply actions  

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