Adam Schefter: Cornerback Stanford Routt Agreed To Terms With The Kansas City Chiefs
by Josh Kirkendall on Feb 20, 2012 1:23 PM EST
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Print+ Former Oakland Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt visited the Cincinnati Bengals on Friday, concluding a three-team tour visiting franchises that he could call home in 2012. On Sunday Pro Football Talk published that Routt could pick one of those three teams soon, which includes the Bengals, Buffalo Bills and the Kansas City Chiefs. According to Mike Florio, a contract should be finalized for Routt on Monday. Soon after that Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Routt agreed to terms with the Kansas City Chiefs.
There were plenty of reasons to believe that Routt would sign with the Kansas City Chiefs, more so than the Bengals. For example it's not a sure-thing that he'd start with the Bengals, especially if Leon Hall returns to form following his rehabilitation with his injured Achilles. Additionally we don't see the team offering a long-term deal with significant guaranteed money -- only incentives.
If Routt Signs With The Bengals, Don't Expect Him To Offer Long-Term Solutions
That being said Routt would have helped improve the team's overall secondary depth, allowing Kelly Jennings or Adam Jones to leave for free agency while the Bengals draft a first-round cornerback to ease into the roster as a third or fourth-string cornerback, learning at his own pace (whomever that is).
However in the end nothing has changed and the Bengals are still faced with severe depth issues in the secondary.
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wow we keep getting GOOD news!!!
Now for a couple more dollars we can just sign the elite Carr. Go after Carr and Nicks the hardest in free agency…
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 1:31 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lets hope so
one door closed lets open a bigger and better door.
by bengalinflorida on Feb 20, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
I don't think it'll happen
80% chance Carr will sign elsewhere. I would like to think that they would sign him but realistically don’t think it’ll happen.
by sgiridharan1982 on Feb 20, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions
Hard to imagine they’ll pay Carr what they wouldn’t pay J.Joe
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 20, 2012 1:54 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Not when u seen how much JJoe meant to ur team. If not Carr, I believe we still look for #1 cb in free agency.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 2:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
U got it
I think they realize that mistake last year
by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Carr will get 60 million for 5 years
They wouldn’t sign JJo for 49 million for 5 years. I hope they realize their mistake … but it’s hard to imagine them signing a FA for more money than their own guy who they let walk away.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, that's probably a little high.
I was just working off of the contract that Asomugha got. He might not quite make it that high, but I bet it’ll be in that range though – more than Joseph, but less than Asomugha.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think it will be less than both
I’m not sure he’s regarded as highly in the NFL as those two guys… I could be wrong though
Yeah, that's hard to say. But he'll be highly sought after now that the Chiefs probably won't bring him back.
Carr will likely pursue Brandon Flowers money (six years, $49.35 million) at the very least.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 7:24 PM EST up reply actions
So that would be a little less than Joseph.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if somebody gives him more.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Asomugha was also the #1 corner and teams were goin crazy tring to get him
I was with my bro-in-law when the eagles got him and him being a eagles fan almost shit himself. And they thought they were the dream team ha
by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Hate to say it
Hall needs to restructure his contract or Clements needs to be cut. We need a sure fire #1 corner on our team. With the way the league us now u really need two #1 cbs. We gotta stop being cheap and pay the right price to get best players that fit system our system.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 3:28 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
“@kentbabb: Flowers’ deal was for roughly $50 million over six years, with $22 million guaranteed. Carr is likely asking for similar numbers.”
Bengals wont pay that.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wonder if the Chiefs are willing to spend #1 CB money on two CBs
I know they have cap room, but they’ve got plenty of other needs.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions
No team can afford it
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 20, 2012 4:21 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I am sure that Hue had a little say in this
He knows Routt better than anyone right now……I agree with the consensus…..Nicks, Carr, Finnegan, Bowe, Ray Rice(dream) …loo
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CARR
people the chiefs have plenty of room to keep CARR. does anyone here think that the tag won’t be placed on him? If not him then bowe will get it. The WR money is a little lower than the CB money so they may go after bowe with the tag. But romeo is a defensive guy
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Carr or Nicks?
If there was any chance the Bengals were looking to go after a high profile free agent, then it would be one or the other. We can dream about both, but let’s be real. So which one would you take?
probably nix
you can never have enough good big guys
by bengalinflorida on Feb 20, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
This is a cop-out response,
but let’s see what the market is for both of them. This question’s tough to answer without knowing what these guys are asking for.
I’m kind of thinking Nicks, just because the draft is super-deep at corner. It’s deeper than usual at guard, but drafting a guard in the second or third in addition to signing Nicks would still work well. If we signed Carr, we could still take a corner somewhere too, but we’d have to really hope for DeCastro falling to us. He’s the only pro-ready NFL starting guard in the draft, except for possibly Cordy Glenn, who might be a reach at No. 21. There are four or five NFL-ready starting corners in the draft (Claiborne, Kirkpatrick, Jenkins, Gilmore, maybe Dennard).
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by Pardon_My_French on Feb 20, 2012 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
PFT is reporting he signed a 3-year deal worth a little less than $20M
Wow. The market prices for free agent corners just skyrocketed. Routt is an average – to – good corner, at best. If he gets close to $20M over 3 years, what will Carr, Finnegan, Grimes command??
For me, if this team is set on making a big splash FA signing, an elite guard (who can be had for around $8-9M/season) brings the most value. Routt will be earning close to $6.67M annually. For about $1-2M/season, an elite, All-Pro guard (Carl Nicks) can probably be had.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 20, 2012 1:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Carr and Finnegan are going to get paid big
hard to see the Bengals breaking the bank on that position.
Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.
I think he's better than most of us our giving him credit for
My understanding is a lot of his penalties were questionable calls but how many people on here have really watched him play. In fact, I looked at the KC board last week saw more than a few comments saying they wouldn’t love it but they would be OK with him replacing Carr in there secondary.
I hope the KC fans are smarter than that. lol
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 2:46 PM EST up reply actions
He would be our #1cb without a doubt. Leon got paid #1 money and he has was a#2. And we tried to sign JJoe last year so were not scared to pay for two #1 caliber cb.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 3:36 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's saying
Flowers is there #1. They do NOT need to spend that much on two #1’s when they can bring in a quality #2 CB much cheaper and then spend that additional money in other places
Na they signed Flowers last year. He got #1cb money
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 4:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
That's what he was saying
They signed Flowers to #1 money, are they going to pay #1 for another corner?
by TCfromDubVee on Feb 20, 2012 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Hall was worth the money at the time
The injury changes that in hindsight, but at the time it was the right move.
And he wasn’t overpaid either. He was appropriately paid less than Joseph was in Houston and made our defense significantly better (as we saw when after he went out).
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
CB's are a position you have to overpay for
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Bengals target OG, S, and WR, and go the FA route with CB….
Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.
meant to say the draft route with CB
Watching Stanford Jennings kick return in the Super Bowl was the out of body experience of my sports life.
I agree
I think we go after a WR mostly and maybe a safety. I want us to go after a OG but I don’t see it happening. It’s just so much to spend on a position that isn’t consider sexy. I mean, they’d be spending more money on a G than their LT. Just seems like something they wouldn’t do. At least not Nicks.
Whitworth extened his contract for two more seasons last year
Which will pay him $20M over those last two seasons (2014 and 2015). That’s a $10M average for those two years. Therefore, and at least for those last two seasons of Whitworth’s contract, he will still earn more than a top tier FA guard (Nicks or Grubbs), who will probably earn around $8-9M / season.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 20, 2012 2:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Damn
I really wanted us to sign him.
I think alot of people are really under estimating how difficult it is to find a quality CB. Even if we draft early they will still be unproven in the NFL and you don’t know if they’ll pan out all you have to do is look at Kelly Jennings who was taking in the first round and might be the worst CB I’ve seen since the days of Rod Jones and Keiwan Ratliff.
there will be many more available..
like carlos rodgers.
by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 20, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
If they really paid 20 million for him, then I'm fine with him signing elsewhere.
That’s too much money for a guy who made a lot of mistakes last year.
by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 20, 2012 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
It doesn't make much sense to me.
Why would KC want so much money invested into the CB position. They gave Flowers an extension at 5 years/$50 million, now Routt at 3 years/$20 million, and they STILL plan on signing Carr? That’s absolute stupidity if you ask me.
I expect Carr to hit FA.
by johnson_cody_18 on Feb 20, 2012 1:57 PM EST reply actions
Carr is only 25 too, strange.....would've thought between Flowers/Carr/Berry at S they would have been set.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 2:00 PM EST up reply actions
They're not planning on signing carr....... if they sing carr is to trade him.
Thr routt singning means that they wat routt to be their #2 cb
As a KC fan
How good is Carr and what do you think he is worth on the open market?
I tihink he is really good, he had to deal with a lot of #1 wr last year 'cause he play in the right side always, doesn't matter if the #1 or #2 wr was there.
Some of the fans thinks that he is better than Flowers, ‘cause he didn’t allow many big plays, maybe flowers is better in stats with picks, but Carr came out with a few of those last year. He is a really good cb and was a steal in the 5th round. You may not see him frecuently in posts or comments but that’s very good ‘cause normally when you see comments about a cb mostly are bad ’cause maybe that cb gave a big play or something. His stats doesn’t show how good he is, and we are hoping that he stays but we also know that he wants his big pay ‘cause playing with a 5th round contract is not worthy knowing how he is playing and is better for him and his family, ’cause the chiefs aren’t willing to pay #1 money for him.
Thanks for the insight
Hopefully routt will workout well for guys, except of course when you play the bengals:)
by biggie22 on Feb 20, 2012 6:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meh.....wouldn't have minded signing him, but not upset we didn't pay that much for him.
Would rather get NIcks any day of the week for 8-9 mill….
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 1:58 PM EST reply actions
We can get a BOTH Carr and Nicks
For around 8-9mil
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 2:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
How crazy would that be? Would be awesome, two huge spots of need plugged with two young guys in their prime.
As unlikely as it may be, at least it’s still a possibility right now.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 2:07 PM EST up reply actions
Why don't we sign CB Terell Thomas???
He tore his ACL last year, but was a very good corner..and the Giants may not re sign him…& we could probably get him somewhat cheap.
1st RD-Kendall Wright-WR
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Keenan Robinson-OLB
5th RD-Devon Wylie-WR
6th RD-Julian Miller-DE
7th RD-Bob Hebert-C
FA:
OG
RB
SS
CB
i would like that
Would he a good pickup but the only bad thing is can we have 2 corners coming off injurys?
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Get Thomas as depth/Jenning's replacement, and draft a CB in the 1st round.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
I agree Thomas could be a 2 maybe a 1
He put up ridiculous numbers the 2 years prior to his injury. Giants have some free agents and not that much cap room. We could just steal Nicks, Porter and Meachem and turn into the Saints of the north.
Also
Thomas is considered one of the best corners when it comes to stopping the run.
So basically a younger Clements?
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Yea but he is way better in coverage
He had 186 tackles, 2 sacks, 34 passes defensed, 10 int and 5 forced fumbles the last 2 years he has played. Those are some great numbers.
he was really good before his injury
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 5:55 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is just the start
Something tells me we will be reading posts about big time FA’s coming to visit and then signing elsewhere all this offseason.
We love the Bengals so we see things differently. Cincinnati is considered a bottom rung, last chance place to land. Unless we over pay for top FA’s we won’t see any of them here. I’ll bet on that.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Money talks and we have a lot of it. Gotta start using it on somebody between this year and next....
we will have to pay more than a bigger market team, but for once we can afford to do so.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 20, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions
I totally see your point,
But I certainly wouldn’t consider Standford Routt a “big time FA”. When he’s at his best, he is very good, but he is by no means a true, #1 shutdown corner (thus, I wouldn’t consider him a big time FA).
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 20, 2012 2:18 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I didn't mean to imply he was
I just don’t see it with any big name FA.
MB doesn’t have to spend that money this season, we just assume he will.
When a player like Carson Palmer walks away from a huge contract to retire instead of coming back, it sends a message to other players. When you don’t resign a player like J Joe because of a little extra cash, it sends a message. MB is cheap.
Why would any big FA think that MB will keep the pieces we do have in place around long enough to be a contender year after year?
Parity- That is what makes the NFL so great.
We think we have an up-and-coming team. So do 31 other franchises and in many ways we are all right. Most teams are a couple pieces away from competing year in and year out.
It wasn’t so long ago that the Saints were considered a horrible place to land. Remember the “Aints” for so many years. The Saints got Drew Brees, by luck, and it changed the franchise. We will have to build from the inside before guys will change their minds about Cincy.
I have history on my side when it comes to watching this franchise and how it operates. I hate to be a downer about things but I chose not to act like I am naive about these things either.
If we over pay we can get some guys, but we still have MB writing the checks so goodluck thinking he will suddenly change.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
I think most players in the league think of Carson Palmer for what he is:
A Quitter.
The Quitter was interviewed by Deion Sanders on the NFL Network aftér the trade and Deion essentially told Carson that other players around the league were telling Deion that Carson was getting a pass from the media for quitting on the Bengals. Deion flat-out told Carson that many current NFL players thought Carson quit on his team. Shannon Sharpe told Carson the same thing in a CBS ore-game interview. From this, it is pretty clear that current NFL players view Carson as a pure and simple Quitter, and didn’t look at The Quitter’s situation as an indictment against the franchise.
While I agree that history shows us that the Bengals FA activity is generally tepid, this is not the 90s anymore.
Free Agents want guaranteed money and a chance ti play for a good team, generally speaking. The Bengals can offer both, and while, yes, the minimum cash spend requirement is not until next year, why wait until next year when you would be “forced” to spend it, instead of starting to spend is wisely this year on a couple of targeted free agents like Nicks/Grubbs and Meachem.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 20, 2012 5:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
I just think that all things considered it all makes a difference. If several teams offer the same money to a player things such as " hmm.. Carson is a quitter, but why did he want to quit?" has to come into play. It’s human nature. When ESPN is always talking nothing but bad about our organization it makes a difference. Players watch ESPN.
I am not talking FA’s with few options, I am talking big name guys who can go anywhere. That is why I don’t think we can pull down guys like Nicks or Carr with out over paying them.
That is what hurts so much about losing our own players to FA. They are here and know that it’s not as bad as the “outside” thinks it is. See Andrew Whitworth signing long term. J Joe even stated he wanted to come back but we know now that MB cheaped out on him. ( I happen to agree with MB on this one though).
J Joe didn’t do anything in Houston he hadn’t done most of his time in Cincy. He makes the Pro Bowl in Houston but not in Cincy. Let’s face it had The Patriots lost in the play-offs sooner 3 of our 4 Pro Bowlers would not have been Pro bowlers at all.
Things like that matter, no matter what people want to believe. Pro Bowls give players another bargaining tool come contract time.
I can harp on this garbage all day but I am already a negative writer about things anyway and I really don’t want to be. I love the Bengals, I just want them to win.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Bummer
I always get mad when I read these type of headlines during free agency. He chose a bad KC team over an up and coming Bengals squad. Interesting. I was pretty confident that he’d land here.
I’m really hoping that this isn’t a sign of things to come in free agency. Given the team’s reputation, many of you seem to be correct in the observation that the Bengals will have to overpay for players to get them here. Sad.
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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 20, 2012 2:17 PM EST reply actions
We don't know for sure if the Bengals even offered him a contract.
Sure, they invited him in for a visit, but that does not always mean an offer gets extended to the visiting player by the team hosting him. In other words, when a player agrees to visit a team, it does not necessarily mean that the team already has an contract offer in hand, ready to present it to the player as soon as thw player sets foot off the plane. Sometimes, a visit is just a visit with no offer. I don’t think there is a news report which says the Bengals definitely offered Routt a contract.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 20, 2012 2:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
come on-
What would be the reasoning for Cincy to bring him in if they didn’t plan to try and sign him? So they can make the fan base think they have changed? Everything you need to know about a FA is already on film, nothing they say, outside of “I don’t want to play for you” would change their minds.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
It's not uncommon
For guys to visit teams and not get offered contracts. It could have been just a feeler for both sides to see if it would even work with playing time and system. Also, it could have been set up by the agent to possibly drive the price up for a team that was really interested.
by thenailer33 on Feb 20, 2012 3:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Ummm - let's see. You are going to offer someone who is NOT an elite player (Stanford Routt) $20M without having even met them face to face!?!?
Wow!! You’d be uhd most benevolent (and probably most unwise, also) sports owner in the history of sports.
You’re ust going to offer someone a contract literally worth tens of millions of dollars without having even had a conversation with the person??? I hope you don’t run your own business.
An invite (I.e. A team visit) is essentially like a job interview for a normal player. Thw team wants to get to know them before extending an offer. Meet with some coaches to test their football IQ, take them to lunch/dinner to get to know what type of person they are, etc. It is quite common for an invite to happen and no offer be extended.
Besides, please provide a link that reports the Bengals, did, in fact, offer Routt a contract.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 20, 2012 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Did I say he was offered a contract.
I said The BENGALS WOULD NOT HAVE BROUGHT HIM IN IF THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED IN SIGNING HIM. You are naive to think otherwise. why waste their time if they werent even interested?
For your info they agreed with Whitner on a contract last season without meeting face to face. It happens all the time based on the outcome of a physical. Whitner just decided at last minute to take offer from San Fran.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
We should sign Carl Nicks before we sign anyone. imo
1st RD-Kendall Wright-WR
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Keenan Robinson-OLB
5th RD-Devon Wylie-WR
6th RD-Julian Miller-DE
7th RD-Bob Hebert-C
FA:
OG
RB
SS
CB
I'm interested to know
If we even offered him a contract? I can’t imagine the bengals offering him any form of a contract when a) there will be better free agent corners available, and b) they should probably start with bigger needs like guard, or signing a couple of their own first.
by thenailer33 on Feb 20, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
you know what the worst part of this is?
he chose the fricking KC Chiefs over the Bengals, just when you think the perception of your team has changed, we still get FA’s snubbing their nose at us, and to top it of I gauranteed we offered similar money. Guess we’ll be looking at another year of Free agency futility, same old same old
personally
I don’t want to see Marvin fired, I want him to be promoted to G.M. while handing the reigns over to Zimmer as head coach. Who Dey!!!
by joeb69 on Jan 9, 2012 8:18 PM EST replyactions 2 recs
if we offered simular money im glad he picked elsewhere
I wouldn’t want to pay him that much
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 3:53 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Once Hue got here signing Routt wasnt happening. Hue don’t wanna coach a player that was so undisciplined it cost him his job.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 20, 2012 3:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions
he probably chose kc to up his stats by playing palmer 2x a year
by JCompton41 on Feb 20, 2012 4:14 PM EST via mobile reply actions 6 recs
Haha
He will prob go to the pro bowl after those two games
by njbengalstat on Feb 20, 2012 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
I think we have to be the bigger players in Free Agency
we have to set the market before other teams do so
Carl Nicks OG 5 year 52.5 million 10.5 Million per year
Ben Grubbs OG 4 year 30million 7.5 million per year
Martellus Bennett TE 3 year 6million 2million per year
Tracy Porter CB 4year 14million 3.5million per year
Michael Griffin SS 4 year 18million 4.5million per year
Mike Wallace WR 1st round+4year 28million 7million per year(if)
Good move by Bengals
I would have been really pissed if the bengals would have given a #2 at best cornerback a three year $20 mil, $6.5 mil guaranteed and he’s set to make around $11 mil this you with everything together, are you kidding me, great decision by the bengals, THANK YOU MIKE !
by thegrassisGREENer18 on Feb 20, 2012 6:53 PM EST reply actions
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