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Cincy Jungle Mailbag: Isaiah Pead, Stanford Routt And New Moves Signaling Organizational Change

I'm sure that all of you missed my weekly mailbag feature last week very much since I didn't get around to publishing it--my apologies to you all. However, there was a lot of interesting news to digest over the last week and half in the absence of this Cincy Jungle staple.

We had some big name coaches come to Cincinnati in Assistant roles. Before the official free agency period actually began, the team brought in a cornerback to visit, and now they are gearing up to see some of the top college prospects up close in Indianapolis for the Scouting Combine.

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Speaking of the Combine, there is one particular player that will be in attendance that will have the attention of the Bengals staff and University of Cincinnati fans alike. Running back Isaiah Pead has become a lightning rod of a topic around these parts. Since his MVP performance at the Senior Bowl, there are a lot of mixed opinions on where Pead will land on draft weekend. I received a tweet on this subject:

@CUIBengalsFan Explain to everyone that Pead is NOT worth a 2nd round pick lol 8 hours ago via Twitter for iPhone · Reply · Retweet · Favorite · powered by @socialditto

This is a sticky subject to say the least. There are many of our loyal readers who are convinced that Pead is a solid second round pick and believe that the Bengals should pounce on him. While he showed his versatility and athleticism during the Senior Bowl, I still have my doubts that Pead worked himself into the second round or higher. He's a bit small for an every-down NFL running back and I think that that hurts his stock. At this moment in time, I can see him going in the third or fourth round.

However, my belief on where Pead is currently slated could all change over this weekend. If he runs a fast 40-yard dash time at the Combine and nails some interviews, he could improve his stock to a second round player. Given his ability to return kicks and catch passes, he could become this year's version of Dexter McCluster and get drafted in a relatively high spot.

Pead has had impressive seasons the last two years, displaying his ability to be a playmaker as a runner and receiver. In 2011, he registered 1,259 yards rushing with 12 touchdowns along with 39 receptions for 319 yards and three more touchdowns. I've made it known that I feel the Bengals need a player at the running back position who can be a big play threat as a traditional running back as well as a receiver and Pead is an intriguing prospect in that regard.

I'm just not quite sold that Pead is a guy that can carry the load by himself in the NFL. Given that reservation that I have about him, I'd be reluctant to use anything higher than a third round pick on him. If the Bengals were to pair Pead with a bigger between the tackles type of back, they could have a formidable one-two punch much like the Raiders had with Darren McFadden and Michael Bush.

Last week, the Bengals had the recently released Stanford Routt visit their facility late last week. Though the Bengals were one of three finalists for Routt's services, he ultimately signed a three year contract with the Chiefs worth $20 million. I have mixed feelings about how this situation played out. With their dire need for cornerback help, it was refreshing to see the Bengals being proactive about their predicament and make a somewhat aggressive pursuit for a player that likely would have filled a big roster hole.

Even though the reviews about Routt's talent are mixed, he would have fit in nicely as the No.2 cornerback behind Leon Hall, while being pushed by Nate Clements. And, with Hall rehabbing a bad injury, he would have been a temporarily serviceable No.1 corner if Hall were to be unavailable at the beginning of the season. Regardless of if you feel that Routt is a bit overrated or not, the move to bring him on board would have been a sensible one at the right price.

Even though it may be a relief for some that they didn't overpay for Routt, it worries me that there's a pattern brewing with the Bengals and them undervaluing free agent cornerbacks. First, they didn't want to pay a Pro Bowl-caliber player at the position in Johnathan Joseph and then they didn't seem to make a competitive offer to Routt. In both instances, the team had ample salary cap room to sign either player. With this pattern, how are we to expect that they'll spend big money this year on a top-flight cornerback such as Brandon Carr or Courtland Finnegan? I don't expect them to, unfortunately, and it's a shame since I see them needing to add at least two new corners.

Lastly, I've been impressed with the Bengals' recent hires. First, the team brought in Mark Carrier to coach the defensive backs group after what seemed like an eternity. While most figured that Rod Woodson would get the position, I feel that Carrier is a better hire. He's had a solid track record as a coach and comes highly-respected by his former employers. With Woodson, you'd be getting a coach with one subpar season under his belt.

The Hue Jackson hire was a surprising, but welcomed one. I've always felt that the Bengals were understaffed as a franchise. Beefing up their coaching staff is obviously a good move and Jackson is known as a "player's coach" who is well-liked. In his first time with the club, the team saw some of the most exciting offensive output in franchise history. Even though he won't be working with the offense this time around, I expect him to work his magic in Cincinnati once again. On top of that, I think he could have an influence on free agents possibly landing in Cincinnati, especially with the Raiders (his former team) looking at losing a lot of their key players.

Now, they've hired former offensive line coach, Jim McNally as a consultant. It's currently unclear as to what exactly McNally's specific responsibilities with the club will be, but it's another welcomed hire. Usually, "consultants" in the NFL have their hands in a bit of everything. My assumption is that he'll be helping with talent evaluation and scouting--something we've been begging Mike Brown to bolster for the last twenty-one years.

All three of these hires have Marvin Lewis' stamp on them. I think between the draft last season and these hires, it's becoming increasingly clear that changes in the organization are slowly occurring and Marvin got a little more out of his last contract negotiation than we all gave him credit for.

Keep sending tweets to me @CUIBengalsFan, and emails to bengalanthony@gmail.com and I'll get some of yours in this feature every week.

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agree with the corner situation

can’t see the bengals fielding a competitive offer for a starting free agent corner. in the end, the bengals will have no choice but to draft several secondary players in 2012. or the bengals will go with free agents that couldn’t get offers from another nfl team and signed in cincy for whatever money brown offered.

this is a reminder of no matter how many fans would like us to believe that things have changed in cincy with marvin and katie calling the shots now and not mike, that ultimately, mike still controls the check book. and not landing routt when your team is 60+ million under the cap, is a worrisome message heading into free agency 2012.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 23, 2012 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

You are looking at it the wrong way here I think.

If they looked at route and said yeah let’s make him an offer, I would hope that that offer was less than 3 years 20 mil. 7 mil a year for a corner who may not even be good enough to be a #2 would be a bad signing. They probably offered him a resonable contract which he turned down for a way too good contract in KC. If you are gonna spend 7 mill per year on a mediocre corner, why not spend 1-2 mil more and get a top tier corner?

If that’s what it takes to land Routt, they made the right move not offering that. I don’t think this says that they don’t value corner and won’t sign one, rather I think this just shows that they weren’t going to jump the gun for the first corner that comes along and over pay him for what he is. I HOPE they will offer a good contract to a top tier corner like possibly Carr.

by Luke on Feb 23, 2012 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

there is no doubt the chiefs overpaid

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

That's my argument

MB will try and bring in top FA’s, I honestly think that. We more than likely will not get any of them because other teams will be willing to over value and pay them higher than what MB will. MB does not get into bidding wars with other teams. That’s why I temper my expectations for FA’s that we will sign.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you're being WAY pessimistic

I think we didn’t “land” Routt because he was demanding WAY more money than he was worth. I would have been furious if we signed him for as much as the Chiefs spent on him. He’s not worth that money. I’d hope Hue Jackson was a part of making that call. I do think you’re correct in that we won’t go after a top free agent CB, but this season I don’t think that’s a bad thing. THe market is thin and guys are going to get over paid. There are no JJo’s or Ashomugah’s out there this season, so the Brandon Carr’s and Cortland Finnegan’s are going to get paid like All Pro’s. They’re not. I might be willing to spend a decent chunk on Brent Grimes, but I dont’ think Atlanta lets him go. Overspending on Routt would have been the worst possible way to go.

I think EVERYONE, even the most cynical Bengals fans, need to give this offseason a chance to play out before they start throwing around the same tired “FREE AGENTS DON’T WANT TO COME HERE!” lines. There is legitimately a lot of change happening in this organization. MB is spending more money on his own, he’s looking at the league soon MAKING him spend even more money in salary, he’s hiring additional staff, he’s giving more control of personnel decisions to that staff, and most importantly he has a young team that has a ton of buzz in the league. Add in the cap space we have and I think this could be a very very different kind of offseason. Now, in July if we’ve done nothing but brought in Braylon Edwards and given Frostee Rucker $10 million then we can all dig out the old Bungles jabs. But let’s at LEAST wait until free agency actually starts before we start bashing the front office for blowing it for signing the ONE guy who was out there looking for a contract.

by eric nyc on Feb 23, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Well said. If we give anyone 8 million a year from this defensive crop of free agents, it shouldn’t be a corner. I know alot of ppl like Carr, but that just wouldn’t feel right a year after JJoe got away. If we’re spending big money on defense make it on somebody who can get after the qb>Mario Williams.. Otherwise get someone serviceable at corner who won’t break the bank

by Eric Bieniemy on Feb 23, 2012 9:59 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

the real question being asked about the routt situation

were the bengals being frugal or possessing acumen?

we’ll have to wait for the end of free agency to see which prevailed.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 23, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Not the issue

What people seem to forget is , we are not the only team with plenty of salary cap space, nor the only team that will have to spend it. I see MB attempting to get top tier FA’s, I just don’t see him willing to over spend and 1 of the 6+ teams that will be interested in these top tier FA’s WILL be willing to over spend.
That is not a knock on MB, that’s actually smart business. Smart business does not always make fans happy.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

i expect the bucs of all teams

to be aggressive in this free agency period. not overly aggressive, but more aggressive than last year.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 23, 2012 2:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

This is just more speculation

I honestly think we’re going to see the Bengals break from their “normal” habits this offseason. At the very least, we can’t just ASSUME they won’t because I don’t know that we’ve ever seen them in quite this position before. I just dont’ see the point of coming on here and saying “You guys are all dumb, the Bengals aren’t going spend any money because they never do and no free agents ever come here and there’s no Santa Claus…” At least give them a CHANCE.

by eric nyc on Feb 23, 2012 3:31 PM EST up reply actions  

wasn't pointing the finger at anyone

suggested we have our first indicator to gauge what is coming, that is all =)

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 23, 2012 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

then why are you speculating?

“I honestly think we’re going to see the Bengals break from their "normal" habits this offseason "

Because you think they will spend it’s ok for you to speculate, just not people who don’t feel that way?
The fact is no one knows what they will or won’t do. Everything we say either way is speculation.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 7:25 PM EST up reply actions  

Routte was tremendously over paid

by the chiefs. If that is what it would have taken to land him I’m glad we didn’t

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 23, 2012 10:27 AM EST up reply actions   1 recs

he was either overpaid

the market for fa corner contracts just jumped or kc is hoping they are getting the 2010 routt.

in the end, i still see cincy as making their best DB moves in the draft not free agency.

"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."

by palewook on Feb 23, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

I hope I'm wrong

I don’t see Leon Hall playing this season let alone being productive. To me CB is a top priority (more so than O-line). The Bengals let JJ get away (could have franchised him) and now they will pay for it. At the very least, the Bengals need to sign a one of the top FA CBs out there and make a 1st round CB choice.

"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker

by featherman on Feb 23, 2012 9:28 AM EST reply actions  

WTF

"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker

by featherman on Feb 23, 2012 9:29 AM EST up reply actions  

but I don't see Leon Hall

playing this season yet alone being productive. They let JJ get away (could have franchised him) and now they are in rough secondary shape. The Bengals need to sign one of the top CB FAs and draft one in the first round.

"At the very end, somebody took a dump right where I stood in the dugout every day." Dusty Baker

by featherman on Feb 23, 2012 9:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Leon will play this season.

Might not be until week 8, might not be as a starter, and it might not be with the Bengals, but he’s ahead of schedule with his rehab and I don’t think he’s going to miss an entire season.

by eric nyc on Feb 23, 2012 9:42 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

lets not forget by the time training camp roles around hall would of had over 8 to 9 months to heal the Achilles. Just look at the situation right now in Minnesota with Peterson, just in december he tore his ACL and MCL and it’s only been not even 4 months and he says he’s going to be running soon. It just depends how fast you can heal, and i think Hall will be a 100 percent early in the season

by thegrassisGREENer18 on Feb 23, 2012 9:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Not so fast.

My kid tore her ACL and was running at 5 months. Took her another three months of daily rehab with a specialist before she could run athletically. Peterson has a very long road ahead before he can resume his very punishing career.

Achilles injuries take longer by a few months than acls.

by BENGALS69 on Feb 23, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

You are correct about free agency.

Even taking a CB in round 1 is possible depending on who is left. Clements probably goes to a number 3 guy then.

Unfortunately past history suggests no FA signing of a top CB.

by BENGALS69 on Feb 23, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Hadn't really thought of the recent hires as "scouting" positions

But you’re dead on – that’s exactly what they are. Giving them a title as part of the coaching staff almost seems like more a matter of respect given their past experience, but since neither are really being nailed to a particular unit it’s safe to say they’re being brought in to generally improve the organization’s handle on personnel. I’m sure they’ll be on the practice field, but that’s also two more experienced voices at the combine and pro days and, god willing, in the draft room. I wonder if those hires are a direct result of Jim Lippincott’s retirement. A lot of people said “I hope we hire 2-3 guys to take his place.” Maybe that’s exactly what we did, assuming there’s still going to be one more hire to actually take the official Personnel Director title.

by eric nyc on Feb 23, 2012 9:40 AM EST reply actions  

.

maybe everything will turn around and we can blame the last 20 years on Lippincott !!

Burn him in effigy!

Bronson Arroyo is the consonant professional - John Teh Fay

by supergrover on Feb 23, 2012 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

pead is worth a 3rd round pick for the bengals, but if they want to gaurentee to get get him, they will have to pick him in the 2nd

Pead is probably not going to get picked by the BENGALS by the 2nd round. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t worth a 2nd round pick on other teams.

That Pats at the end of the 2nd round is the team I have my eyes on to select pead. If they don’t address the RB situation in the first.

But with his home run ability to play as a change of pace back, plus his kick off and punt return ability and his ability to run routes lined up as WR, Pead can easliy get around 15-20 touches a game on the right team. That would equate to a 2nd round value in my book.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 10:07 AM EST reply actions  

I'll buy that

I think Pead is going to torch the 40 at the combine and there’s no way he makes it out of the 2nd. But you might be right – while he may be a value pick for some teams at the bottom of the 2nd, he might not be for us. I wonder if signing Michael Bush before the draft would change that, though. Bush-Pead would be a pretty good combination in Gruden’s system. Bush to take the tough yards up the middle, Pead as the outside threat – but both with homerun ability and both able to catch the ball out of the backfield. Might be a better proposition than trying to find an every down back in the draft.

by eric nyc on Feb 23, 2012 10:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Anyone know this about Pead?

He was the 2007 Ohio Division II State 400-meter dash champion (48.16 seconds).

The man has wheels and has been working on bulking up.

I agree that if the Bengals want him they’ll have to get him in the second.

by Bearcat_Fan on Feb 23, 2012 10:55 AM EST up reply actions  

another thing, this is the last of Coach Kelly's recruits

look at some of his other recruits and see how they have faired in the NFL.

Celek and Barwin have been very productive since they made it in. I can’t wait to see how Pead preforms in the NFL.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 11:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Celek and Barwin

were mark dantonio recruits, not Kelly’s, sorry, bad argument

by joeb69 on Feb 23, 2012 11:15 AM EST up reply actions  

but

to be fair, Barwin played T.E. for Dantonio, it wasn’t till Kelly came on board and moved him to DE that he flourished, but still, 2 sport, 2 way star, damn we missed on him

by joeb69 on Feb 23, 2012 11:17 AM EST up reply actions  

may bad, I should have said "coached up"

but my point remains, UC have produced some very good prospects that we should pay attention to before another team picks them up.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 12:49 PM EST up reply actions  

For what it's worth...

I also think Derek Wolfe is going to have a huge combine. He’s going to make a bunch of scouts go back and rewatch all of his game tape the moment it’s over and push himself up into the 3rd round, where I think he’d be a great pick for us.

by eric nyc on Feb 23, 2012 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Wolfe is a beast

Maybe it was the Big Least competition making him look good, but damn, that guy dominated last year.

by Bearcat_Fan on Feb 23, 2012 10:56 AM EST up reply actions  

I may be way off base in my thinking...

With all the recent hires. Do you think the club may be setting up for Marvin to maybe move from coach, to dare i say, a GM position? I have not been a huge fan of Marvin as a coach. That being said, he has done a great job in gaining Mike’s trust and changing the way this organization thinks and does things. He has also removed the it’s all about me players, to more team players.( Benson may have been the last i hope). Just a thought, like i said may be off base here…….

by CINCY1CATS on Feb 23, 2012 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

I agree somewhat with your FA CB assessment, but

We did sign Leon Hall to a new contract last year. Though maybe JJoe was better than Hall, he couldn’t stay on the field unlike Hall. We also did offer him comparable money to the Texans, but he wanted to go.

It kinda backfired this year but hindsight is 20/20. I do agree we need a corner in FA and draft another corner in the first round. Someone out newly stacked coaching staff can mold into a beast.

by TCfromDubVee on Feb 23, 2012 10:58 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

+1

Losing J Joe hurt, but he couldn’t stay healthy. The Bengals did offer him a good contract, even with the injury concern, he chose to go elsewhere.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 11:14 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

and hindsight is always 20-20, I still think if he would have stayed healthier here, he would have been here, his career will ALWAYS be filled with injuries, in the end, I don’t think Texas will get what they put into him, they got lucky last year that he was had a couple of minor injuries, but, he’ll come up lame again almost gaurantee it

by joeb69 on Feb 23, 2012 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

Ive said it here before

but I heard a Sirius Radio interview with a Texan player who said on the air that JJoe decided to leave Cincy by January 2011. If so, only a really generous offer from Mike Brown would have kept him. We know that isn’t a high likelihood.

by BENGALS69 on Feb 23, 2012 11:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Right,

and I don’t want any player that doesn’t want to be here.

I hold no ill will against former Bengals, but if they don’t want to play here than bye bye and good luck!

by TCfromDubVee on Feb 23, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

the coaching hires are a good sign

Forget about Marvin moving to GM. I won’t happen. He can exercise more control over the process, but Mike will always be GM. And, as long as the positive moves keep coming, than I’m all for it staying the way it is.

From here on out though, the onus is on Marvin to actually coach. He finally got Mike’s ear, and is shaping the organization the way he wants it. Now it’s on Marvin to win games from the sideline.

If they really want to hire a special asst coach, hire one that specializes in game management. When to call TOs, when to challenge, when to not have 12 men on the field…

by EarthwormJim on Feb 23, 2012 11:16 AM EST reply actions   1 recs

LMAO, fellas if were not gonna sign big money on a CB, G or D-Line

Who the hell were gonna pay. NONE of our free agents are getting close to decent money but Nelson. Rucker, Fanene and Simms are all solid but neither is dominant enough to ask for top dollars. We need to grab Grimes, M. Williams, Nicks and F. Davis early in free agency period. We should be able to sign all of them for 30mil. Why would Marvin be aggressive signing coaches and not go after best of best free agents?

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 11:39 AM EST reply actions  

I think we will go after them

I just see other teams willing to over pay for their services, do you think the Bengals will? I don’t.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I do

I’ll give them all top 5 money at there positions. People slipping on Grimes he’s way better than Joseph.

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 11:51 AM EST up reply actions  

what you or I would do........

Is not typically what MB will do. Unfortuantely.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 11:52 AM EST up reply actions  

times have changed

MB has spent big trying win last ten years. Scouting and other player friendly benefits are on the way(indoor practice field). We spend on players they just don’t always work out. Its not like we have this type money to spend every year. Carson, Chad, Anderson, L. Jones and Odom got paid big money here.

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

I hope so

Outside of Odom those were guys already on the team that signed contract extensions. That is a whole different ball game.
MB will spend money, I don’t deny that fact, nor have I said he won’t. I also stated he will go after big name FA’s but other teams will step up and over pay for their services, it happens every year to the big names. I just don’t see MB over paying.
I do see him bringing in new guys, I just hope they are better than what is already here. That alone would make me happy.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 12:57 PM EST up reply actions  

still were classified as free agents

THAT ALL 31 OTHER TEAMS COULD WINE & DINE. WE OUTBIDDED THEM I GUESS…

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't ever remembering CP

Even coming close to FA. I seem to remember the Bengals signing him a couple years before that possibility.

I am not gonna argue with you. You read one piece of a statement and then want to argue about it. I am not going there with you.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 2:09 PM EST up reply actions  

lol you funny

Me arguing? Dude you replied to something I said so I can’t argue with myself. I was just saying MB does spend money on players rather they was free agents or extensions he does pay players.I don’t think its teams over paying for players its just that we NEVER had a real defensive star to attract a big time defensive player to come here. Carson and Chad got players to come play here on offense. And we might not like it but Benson was a BIG TIME pick up.

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 2:23 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

I can tell by your Benson statement you have it all figuired out. You’re right I am wrong. I actually thought I agreed with most of your OP. I guess I didn’t.
Show me anywhere I said MB won’t spend money? I said he won’t over spend to get someone like other teams will, but that’s not what I said so again I am wrong.

"Next season will be better" circa 1990

by Yarin on Feb 23, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I NEVER SAID YOU DID SAY MB WON’T SPEND. WHERE ARE YOU READING THIS AT? I WAS SPEAKING GENERAL MY FRIEND CALM DOWN, YOU REPLIED TO WHAT I SAID NOT OTHER WAY AROUND.

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 2:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Credit where it's due

Getting McNally was a real coup for Marvin. Think about it: many of us wanted Paul Alexander replaced, but he’s clearly too entrenched for even Marvin to touch (short of a line-wide meltdown, as opposed to the guard issues we’ve had). But, once McNally became available, Marvin had the perfect excuse to bring in a new/old set of eyes and address the OL coaching.

If he’d tried to bring in someone new to scout and evaluate o-line talent, I have a feeling that MB and Alexander wouldn’t have liked it. But McNally is a known quantity to them, and he obviously has a history of developing elite Bengals offensive linemen. It would’ve been hard for them to say no to Marvin on this. I’d prefer to replace Alexander altogether, but this seems like the next best thing, and it’s definitely better than standing pat. Marvin has gotten pretty good at managing the limited resources/options he has.

As for CB: how hard we go after them in FA may tell us how serious Leon’s injury is.

by Big Sky Bengal on Feb 23, 2012 11:59 AM EST reply actions  

With or without Hall injury we are in market for top corner. Zimmer likes playing his corners on a island. Clements too slow to play anybody one on one.

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 12:04 PM EST reply actions  

Clements played pretty well overall this year,

but he definitely isn’t going to be able to cut it in man coverage. I like him a lot as a player, though, and while he could still be serviceable at corner I think he would be pretty beastly at safety.

by Luke on Feb 23, 2012 12:34 PM EST up reply actions  

I am happy to have him.

He is pretty solied, not top tier anymore, but I will take him. Good team guy too. I trust Zimm knows what he wants and what we need and will get the players that best fit his D.

by Ben-GAL on Feb 24, 2012 9:21 AM EST up reply actions  

On Pead

Pead is a combo RB who can catch, run and also as well as return kicks which gives him more value, and besides the kid can flat out run the Old Steelers and Ravens so why not

by Touhue Cha on Feb 23, 2012 12:35 PM EST reply actions  

lol just wait Touhue

i have a bad feeling the Pats take Pead in the 2nd before we can even look at him in the 3rd round.

Pead is the perfect RB in the pats offense. He would be so sick running in their offense…. kinda makes me mad thinking about it lol

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 12:51 PM EST up reply actions  

thats why we trade down from the 21 spot and land him in the 2nd round

trade down from 21 for a 2nd+3rd+2013 4th round

sounds better and we can get more depth

besides the Patriots still have Ridley and Shane Vereen

by Touhue Cha on Feb 23, 2012 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

besides the Patriots still have Ridley and Shane Vereen

right, but would you consider Pead an upgrade? Do you think Pead would be more productive as a Patriot or on a different team?

I see big value for the patriots there. The patriots are the best a nickle and dimming defenses and getting their player makers in open space.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Im seen Shane Vereen played, hes bigger than Pead so i dont think Pead will be an upgrade for them

Vereen came from Cal which has a history of good Backs in the NFL and they can run between the tackle, but if Pead can be an upgrade, he will have to bulk up a little around 200 at least and still run his 40 in the 4.3-4.4 area but I think Pead will be an huge Upgrade for us though

by Touhue Cha on Feb 23, 2012 1:42 PM EST up reply actions  

i guess the way i see it, if you were to take out Vereen and plug in Pead

I would have to argue Pead would be more productive from what I have seen. I could be wrong, but the style of the Patriots offense is built around the short game and getting players open in space.

I think Pead strengths would match up well in the Patriots sceme just because they like the undersized athletic players. Pead fits their style to the tee… I think he would excel working with Brady.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 3:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Comparing Pead to Dexter McCluster is laughable

McCluster is way more versitile than Pead and much stronger.. McCluster tossed 220 lbs (125% of his body weight) 21 times at the combine. He is possibly, pound for pound, the strongest guy in the NFL. Before you say – so what? – this speaks to ball security and toughness. McCluster goes out of his way to attack tackelers rather than go OB. I, obviously, am a big fan of the guy. We do not need another small fast RB so I am not near the fan of Pead everyone else around here seems to be.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Feb 23, 2012 1:08 PM EST reply actions  

Brooks reborn

This guy reminds me of James Brooks. I like a RB that can catch a screen and go. We have none!

by schwarry14 on Feb 23, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

"McCluster is way more versitile than Pead"

While Dexter maybe stronger, I don’t think he would be more versatile than Pead. I havn’t really seem much out of McCluster, I know they were high on him his rookie year, but outside of that, I hadn’t heard much from him.

I don’t people on here have been giving Pead enough credit. I get the whole “homer” argument, but that doesn’t apply here. There should be a term thats opposite of “homer” that we can call people that don’t hype up people from their area. lol Pead has exceptional talent and its not that hard to recognize if you watch him on film.

And Cincy has produced some fine althletes to who play in the NFL now. I think Pead is the next UC star to produce in the NFL at probowl level

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

AMA, I am not an anti-homer. I agree the Cincy area has produced some fine athletes.

Anthony, you are right and I apologize if my response seems a bit pointed. It wasn’t my intention.

Everyone hyped Gilyard as being a great prospect because he did well in his conference. He looked great in that arens but I am not sure he is even still in the game now. I agree Pead has talent but I see nothing that places him in a category that makes me think he will be what we need on the Bengals team. We have Scott who fill that role here pretty well. We need someone to be a Benson – only better. I don’t really see what Pead offers that Scott doesn’t. I don’t see him making much of an impact in the pros. But that is just the opinion of a fan.

BTW, nobody saw much out of McCluster because he is simply on a team that is not quite capable of utilizing his talents yet. He is probably a better slot receiver than he is a RB sort of like Hawkins but he can also work out of the tailback position very well. Give him the ball in space and those he doesn’t make miss get some punishment. Shipley was the guy I wanted in the draft but McCluster was next in line.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Feb 23, 2012 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Oh I know your not an anti-homer or anything like that

And I agree that Gilyard was probably hyped up a little too much. I still loved his attitude after Kelly had left, I will never forget that. In the case of Pead, and its not just you by any means, but there are a bunch of other people that have been talking pead down.

I get that you don’t wanna over hype because he plays in our back yard, but Pead is legit. I have seen plenty of film on him to know he is going to be a steal for the team he is picked up by.

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 3:52 PM EST up reply actions  

AMA, I am not against Pead. ne thing that I do notice about him that Scott

doesn’t bring to the table is his desire not to go down easy. I do however thik he is going to have to work on his upper body strength because everyone is going after the ball more than ever. If he had arms like R. Rice my opinion of Pead would improve. I would however not read too much into his senior bown performance. Most of the really good players are gone before they are seniors. Not all – but most.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Feb 23, 2012 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

im not going just going off on how Pead preformed at the senior, which was quite impressive

but the film i was able to watch. Pead has some big time games against good college programs like Tennessee and Oklahoma.

Its his insticts and vision that is the x factor when I watch Pead run that seperates him and many other good backs.

If Pead is on the board in the 3rd round and we don’t take him, I will be very upset. even if we pick TR or Miller in the first or Martin in 2nd.

I think Pead would be an upgrade over scott, I like scott, I would rather have pead than scott

AMAS

by AMAS85 on Feb 23, 2012 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

AMA, do you really like Pead so much that you would use .....

two of our first four picks on RBs? Now, if we go G, CB and S in the first three picks and Pead is still there in the 3rd no problem but if we go TR or Miler I think there are other places we need to look to upgrade. Since you are so high on him and I respect your opinion I did some investigating on Pead and there is a quality to him – maybe even more than Miller. I have no problem with him as a Bengal. I agree Scottt is not a real answer.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Feb 24, 2012 7:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Never seen Pead avoid contact. Smaller scat backs are taking over the NFL. No team gives the ball to a one RB 30+ times a game anymore. I McCluster barely gets ball in KC. So were are you getting film to watch him?

by pray4gm11 on Feb 23, 2012 1:51 PM EST up reply actions  

pray, he got my attention in college and then solidified my opinion at the combine

He is also highly regarded in the Chiefs locker room as being the hardest worker and all around nicest guy on the team. Kinda like Reggie Kelly in that regard. I am not positive I can justify my opinion of him to others. I just really like the guy all around. It is possible that I am just wishing success for a guy I think deserves it. He is one of the very few players for whom I have no affiliation that interests me.

"If we always agree, one of us is not necessary"

by JUNGLEJOHN on Feb 23, 2012 4:50 PM EST up reply actions  

RE:

If you re-read, I didn’t compare the two players. I brought up the fact that both can run, catch and return—but that’s about it. I didn’t bring anything up about measurables between the two players.

The similarities I drew between both players is that both could be viewed as “utility/versatile guys”, and that McCluster went a little higher in the draft than some expected. They have similar facets to their respective games, but are not similar players per se.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 23, 2012 2:10 PM EST up reply actions  

So inviting a FA player for a visit

is “aggressive pursuit”? I hardly call the price of an airline ticket, a hotel room, and a couple of meals “aggressive”. Did they make a serious offer? I didn’t think so. The Bengals may sign a CB in free agency but I doubt they will pay more than $3M per year over a 3-4 year contract with a matching up-front number. That’s a total of maybe $12M for three years.

by dingle on Feb 24, 2012 1:29 PM EST reply actions  

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