Open Thread: The Combine Aftermath
by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 28, 2012 9:30 PM EST
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The 2012 Scouting Combine is in the books and we've all had the opportunity to see some workouts of prospects that could end up in stripes. What are some of your impressions of the workouts? Do you have any sleeper players that you like in the middle or late rounds?
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Man Robert Turbin is jacked!!
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Watches him play a couple times this season
He’s a beast. Had a big day against Auburn I believe. He’s a hoss. They don’t really run a power run game either, which makes me feel like he has versatility and that he has a lot in the tank. Utah St runs a real goofy offense (a lot of pistol).
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 28, 2012 10:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
He does look great running the ball...
Turbun has had some injuries though…. foot and knee… Just something to consider
Yeeeaaah Buddy
Very true...
He missed a lot of his JR year due to hurting his knee and foot. Still, he catches the ball well and when he sees a lane, it is “Good night Irene.” Whoever wants to tackle him from there is at their own discretion.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 28, 2012 10:52 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Never really got to see him play
But from what I’ve herd and dug up on this guy he looks like a prototypical NFL RB. I’m thinking he may surprise alot of people and go higher in the draft than expected.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 29, 2012 12:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
its unreal
with nutrition and training where it is today what these kids look like coming out of college. Makes me wonder how much further they can push the envelope…will we be hearing stories ten years from now about linebackers in the weight room at USC actually bursting out of their skin lol
by Bengals NFL Champs on Feb 28, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
love the hulk
only hope he’s there later in the draft and we need a rb still!
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Pre combine i was all for Bengals drafting Doug Martin in rd 2
But now I don’t know. There is so much RB talent in this draft, we could probably find a starter in the 4th rd.
same here
I was high on Martin too and really liked the idea of getting him in the 2nd, but if a guy like Turbin is going to be in the 3rd or even 4th then I’d be just as pleased (if not, more pleased).
I'm a big Martin guy
Barring big injury, I think the guy will have a fruitful NFL career.
Not a big Turbin guy, but i know many folks like him as a late pick. His extreme top heavy build worries me.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Feb 29, 2012 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
Poe might worked his way into top 10. Is a more imposing player than Sue.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 28, 2012 10:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 29, 2012 3:18 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
by sue, did you mean Suh?
Because thats saying a lot, if you think Poe is going to more physical than N Suh.
AMAS
He could but I don’t think do. He had a great combine but very little production in college. I can’t see him being a top 10 pick on potential alone. Suh was a beast in school along with a great workout. Different situation.
+1
I’m glad Im not the only one noticing Poe didnt do shit in college. he also played in a shitty conference and still never stuck out
Must did something if he got invited to combine. AJ never had a dominate year at UG. The most productive college players are bums in NFL and vice versa.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 9:44 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
AJ never had a dominate year?
AJ was an absolute beast in college and to say otherwise is blatant stupidity.
AJ was also reliant on some horrible QBs whereas Poe doesn’t have that excuse.
Look, I like Poe a lot and I think his potential is off the charts. I would be a happy man if he was on the Bengals. I just don’t think he is a top 10 pick nor as beastly as Suh. One of his biggest knocks is that he has a very inconsistent motor.
To be fair they were saying Dunlap took plays off at florida
and I bet we can all agree dunlap is a stud
Name 1 d-lineman so called experts go say didn’t play with inconsistent motor? And you don’t know who else played with along side him on Memphis d-line. He might got doubled or tripled team on every play or other team ran away from him.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 10:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What expert you ever heard mention Wolfe name?
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 2:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Hell if I remember who of the multitude making comments
but another for you is Cox.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 29, 2012 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
And that's just off the top of my head.
I bet going through scouting reports you’d find more
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 29, 2012 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
He had beasty plays my dude but never what you.can call dominant. Been to couple of his games in college. Never had 80rec 1000yds 10tds in college. So where you get that he was an absolute beast?
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 10:05 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
They're are only 10 games in college also
Just because he didn’t have 1,100 yards doesn’t mean he wasn’t dominant
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
I don't think the SEC only plays 10 games + a bowl either
Alabama went 12-1 so they played 13 games.
I’m not making a point that AJ Green was not a beast because i believe he was.
by TCfromDubVee on Feb 29, 2012 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
This seems pretty dominant
This was 2010:
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AJ Appeared in nine games making eight starts catching a team-leading 57 passes for 848 yards and nine TDs
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Named Georgia’s Offensive MVP of the AutoZone Liberty Bowl after catching eight passes for 77 yards
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Named recipient of the team’s Vince Dooley Most Valuable Player of the Year Award.
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This was 2009, Still pretty dang impressive:
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Appeared in 10 games with eight starts making a team-leading 53 receptions for 808 yards and six touchdowns.
Ranks second in the SEC in receptions per game (5.3) and receiving yards per game (80.8).
AJ Green = Optimus Prime
For he’s team, yeah he was there best player. What did AJ lead NCAA in though?
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 11:14 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Suh was one of the top 5 prospects in the last 10 years. Poe isn’t close to Suh.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 29, 2012 11:23 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I’ll give you that he was. How many prospect get overlooked because they didn’t play on bug stage? Poe went from mid 1st to borderline top 10. He’s gonna give teams hell for next 10yrs. Three down lineman that fast and strong are unheard of. Not to mention he weighs 350.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 11:31 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
NT's aren't supposed to have big numbers.
They are there to eat up blockers!
by TCfromDubVee on Feb 29, 2012 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
He is a NT.
His numbers don’t have to be mind-blowing. If he clogged up the center to the point you need to use multiple OL to block him he is doing his job. Having a NT eating up blockers frees the ends and other to get pressure on the QB.
You are not going to block Poe with one guy. He’s going to eat up the middle and won’t be pushed around. I would love to draft him if we can’t get Sims back.
by TCfromDubVee on Feb 29, 2012 9:40 AM EST up reply actions
Bigger and faster than Pro Bowlers Atkins, enough said. And the boy was a beast in college. You would need 4 people to block him and Atkins. No way Dunlap or Johnson wouldn’t be close to 15+ sacks with them two in middle. Would be most dominate d-line in our division.
by pray4gm11 on Feb 29, 2012 9:46 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Are those Bengals colors?
Robert Turbin looks good in Orange & Black…. doesn’t he? I can see it now Robert Turbin & Michael Bush, the new two headed monster in Cincy, I can only dream.
for the last couple years there's been
a tremendous amount of love for Michael Bush. Way more than he deserves. Most people on here seem to have finally cooled on him, but there are some holdouts that still think he’s Jim Brown.
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:21 PM EST up reply actions
Bush is all hype
If you look at his numbers over the last 7 games last year, he averaged like 3.3 yards a carry on about 20 carries a game. Garbage numbers considering he only averaged like 10 carries a game in the 9 games before that. That is not a back you want to pay 5-6 million for a year.
Here's a couple
Broyles from OK in the third. Egnew from Mizz in the fourth. Jones from Georgia in the fourth
No thanks on Egnew
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 29, 2012 3:19 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
If we get Bush
We should go after a faster receiving back like James or Pead.
Honestly,
I just want to draft a RB. That’s just my personal opinion.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 28, 2012 10:56 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
+2
The only way we are going to get a pro bowl RB is to draft one. Teams don’t let great backs get away and with so much talent at the position in the draft why settle for someone elses hand me downs.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 29, 2012 12:28 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
janoris Jenkins 17th overall
Trade 21 for a late first and second
and get Lamar Miller late first
Harrison Smith or Mark Barron (not working out until after draft, maybe falls) and Kevin Zeitler or other guard in the second
Trumaine Johnson in 3rd.
Stephen Hill in 4th
Robert Turbin and Derek Wolffe in 5th
Tackle 6th
DE 7TH
Get the next best guard thats not nicks or grubs in FA and also Robert Meachem, resign key players and maybe get a darkhorse defensive end to replace Robert Geathers
we'll probably have a complimentary pick to pick up an LB and if this happens no way we dont win super bowl.
we have to first round picks. If we waste that …..we suck ass.
Comp pick?
Thinking of JJoe? The belief is that we won’t get the comp pick because we gained so many FAs.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 28, 2012 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
People keep saying that, but...
…I thought that FAs that were cut don’t count in the comp-pick equation. I believe that Clements was a salary-cap casualty, for instance. And most of our players’ deals were one or two years on the cheap, while Joseph signed a massive, long-term contract.
by Big Sky Bengal on Feb 28, 2012 11:32 PM EST up reply actions
hasn't it already been officially said
that we don’t get a compensatory pick?
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
RJ Blanton out of Notre Dame
Deion and Mayock were going on and on about how he needs work but is the hardest worker on the team, smart, and does everything he’s told to do. Would love to get a guy like that in the 7th or as a UDFA.
Also
The more I see of RGIII, the more I like the kid. I really hope he doesn’t get stuck going to the Browns.
I just don't see that happening.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 29, 2012 1:16 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Actually, I could because they have the picks, but I don’t see them pulling away from Colt McCoy so quickly. Plus, they have other needs. I honestly think the Redskins are all over that pick.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 29, 2012 1:19 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I took your comment another way
I hope he doesn’t go to the Browns because it could make them good. They have a decent D from what I saw last year, if they had an offense they could be, you know, respectable.
Try not to take the above message too seriously.
There have been talks of a sign and trade
Between GB and the Browns for Flynn too.
by EPK1979 on Feb 29, 2012 11:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I think he's the best prospect in this draft
regardless of position. That kid is going to be amazing. And I didn’t gush over Cam or Tebow or any other mobile QB because I don’t care about mobile QBs. He’s got a much better arm than Luck and is just as smart. If we didn’t have Dalton I’d be happy giving up both first picks for this guy.
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions
I hope we get Decastro.
The front line is the key to improving on offense.
by Hoke Hogan on Feb 29, 2012 2:38 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Vontaze Burfict
remember the LB that actually hurt his draft ranking with his poor combine showing. a LB that ran a 5.10 40 then blamed his coaches in his media interview for the horrible past season he had in college? prior to 2011, this kid was considered a top 100 pick by some scouts.
did i mention he’s had some off the field issues as well?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KvcsffTQojI
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
"blamed his coaches in his media interview for the horrible past season he had in college"
That’s why I don’t want him. He’s not accepting responsibility for himself.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 29, 2012 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
exactly
Was pale saying he wanted this cancer?
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha he looks like Geno Atkins in that picture
except he’s a running back. Scary.
by johnson_cody_18 on Feb 29, 2012 8:12 AM EST reply actions
Look at the guns damn!! I'm game with Turbin in the 4th
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 29, 2012 9:04 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
glad to see my nickname for him is catching on lol
"He stood in there like an old riverboat gambler and gunned that ball right on the money"
by ItsAlwaysSunnyInDayton on Feb 29, 2012 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
i thought enough of the nickname
to send him a comment on twitter about it.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I like Turbine
someone else on here called him that a couple weeks ago, maybe a month.
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
Is it possible
Glenn, DeCastro, Richardson, Kirkpatrick, Gilmore are gone by the 17 pick (counting Reiff, Kalil and others out)? In this scenario Janoris Jenkins is the best option? Or there are other players worth consideration?
Konz?? Or Zeitler? Gilmore?
Just crossing fingers we pass on J jank
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 29, 2012 9:06 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
my board would look like this if those players were gone
1)Richardson 2)Coples 3)Upshaw 4)Wright 5)Blackmon 6)Floyd 7)Kuechly 8)Cox 9)Ingram 10)Perry 11)Barron 12)Poe
So yes. There’d be other players worth the pick.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 29, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
The Jets fans are rabid for a pass rusher
and they all seem to be in agreement that Ingram is going to be a better pro than Upshaw. What do you think?
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:27 PM EST up reply actions
Ingram has higher upside & more pass rush potential but Upshaw is one of the safest picks in the draft.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 29, 2012 5:13 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I personally like Cunningham from Michigan State in the 6th-7th round
He might be a project WR but he has really good hands and runs nice routes.
by Diesel2405 on Feb 29, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I'm terrified of what the Browns will look like in a year or two
First, I believe that their interest in RGIII is a smoke screen. I think their strategy will be to build the team up around Colt and see if he can flourish. If not, they will get a QB somewhere else, possibly in FA. Furthermore, as much as I think RGIII will be a stud, his gifts don’t really fit a WCO.
Here’s where it gets interesting. Assuming the Browns stand pat, but drive up the price for the Rams spot. The Rams will trade down, but further down than they want. The Rams will then want to move back up into the top 4 so they can get Kalil or Blackmon. Other teams will want to move up into the top 4-5 as well. That puts the Browns in the drivers seat. Depending on the offer, they might get an extra 1st rounder (probably a 2013er), or a high 2nd and 3rd rounder in exchange for #4.
Imagine all the talent they can acquire with 3 1st round picks (or 2 1sts and 3 2nds) and an extra 4th from the Julio trade. They already have some electric skill guys in Cribbs and Hardesty. Haden is the best CB in the division. Thomas is one of the best LTs in the league. Add to that a young and promising D-Line, and there very soon could be a well stocked, talented and dangerous team.
just out of curiosity
what about RG3 wouldn’t work in a WCO? He’s accurate, extremely smart, and extremely mobile. Are you saying he doesn’t fit a WCO just because he has a cannon arm?
by indesignkat on Feb 29, 2012 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
He's more of a vertical passer
Don’t get me wrong, he can make plays in any system. But a WCO offense relies on short passing routes, not stretching the field. It just doesn’t seem like a WCO would maximize his talents.
by EarthwormJim on Feb 29, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions
NFP's scouting report
What I like…
- Possesses a natural feel for the game.
- Displays the ability to create with both his arm/legs when plays breakdown.
- Keeps eye level down the field when flushed from the pocket looking to create the big play vertically first.
- Can be a magician with his legs, making defenders miss and picking his spots to run.
- Exhibits excellent feel/coordination when deciphering when to throw on the move and despite being unorthodox at times makes everything look very easy.
- Is simply a natural passer who can throw from a number of body angles and release points with accuracy.
- Possesses excellent foot quickness, resets his feet instantly and can quickly balance himself and get rid of the football.
- When he sets his feet in the pocket generates good toque from his lower half and the ball really comes out cleanly. Spins it well on all levels of the field.
- Touch on bucket throws down the field is top-tier for a QB prospect.
- Is comfortable throwing receivers open at the second level and can fit the football into tight areas when he sees it.
- Has improved every year on campus as a passer. Is worker and a humble kid as well, not a “five car garage guy.”
What I don’t like…
- Isn’t comfortable taking snaps from under center. Has some experience, but doesn’t get much depth, wants to settle his feet too quickly and isn’t natural off play action yet.
- Doesn’t consistently stay in an ideal throwing position from the pocket. Gets upright and narrow with his base and will bounce around trying to stay in rhythm.
- Lacks a great feel going through his progressions at this stage, more of a one side of the field guy who when flushed can find secondary reads.
- Doesn’t do a great job pre-snap identifying the blitz and locating the hot man.
- Gets inconsistent with his release point from the pocket at times, but mostly when rolling right. Will drop arm angle and at times looks to guide the football.
by EarthwormJim on Feb 29, 2012 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
A WCO QB
needs to get through his reads fast, and get the ball out quickly. The whole offense is predicated on that. What sets RGIII apart is his ability to buy time with his feet, while still looking for a vertical gain. It just seems like a mis-match to me.
by EarthwormJim on Feb 29, 2012 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
What the Browns really need is
is a possession receiver (i.e. Blackmon)
by EarthwormJim on Feb 29, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Every college shotgun QB gets the "not comfortable under center" rap
But rarely does it prevent an otherwise solid prospect from being a good QB. I can’t think of a single guy that could have been a franchise QB if only he’d gotten comfortable taking snaps under center.
Identifying the blitz, locating the hot man, and going through his progressions are major concerns, but his ability to “be a magician with his legs” while he “keeps eye level down the field” “looking to create a big play vertically first”, and the fact that he is a “natural passer who can throw from a number of body angles and release points with accuracy” should make it a very doable transition as he learns to read the defenses.
By all accounts he’s extremely smart, so I have no concerns about his ability to pick that up. His attitude is as good as it gets. He’s smart, accurate, has a rocket arm, and doesn’t appear to have any baggage at all other than concerns of his small-ish frame and whether he’ll be able to take the hits.
legs with a cannon
absolutely can wreck havoc in the wco. steve young. john elway. etc.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
But's it's not needed
Colt can be a very good WCO QB if he has the right tools
by EarthwormJim on Feb 29, 2012 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
i feel the browns could be giving up on colt too soon as well
look at the brownies 2.0 track record with qbs. they rotate them in about every 2 seasons. not sure what the wide wide world of sports is a going on up there..
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Relevant:
Hensley just said in ESPN chat that he’d expect the Browns to overhaul their whole offense around RGIII if they drafted him instead of forcing him into a WCO offense. He makes a good point, but I still don’t see them overhauling the offense and moving up to do it.
by EarthwormJim on Feb 29, 2012 2:17 PM EST up reply actions
He will only be with the Browns one more year and then he's gone
I would not be opposed to picking him up as our back up QB because that falls right in line to when Gradkowski deal is up
And McCoy is also good friends with Shipley; always a plus.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Could bne a steal late
The way he is built and with his speed, he could end up being the steal at this draft
by thegrassisGREENer18 on Feb 29, 2012 2:18 PM EST reply actions
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