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To Sign Or Not To Sign: Bengals Outside Linebacker Manny Lawson

CINCINNATI, OH - DECEMBER 11:  Manny Lawson #99 of the Cincinnati Bengals takes the field for the game against the Houston Texans at Paul Brown Stadium on December 11, 2011 in Cincinnati, Ohio.  (Photo by John Grieshop/Getty Images)

Based on his production in 2011, as well as his strengths as a strong-side linebacker, it would make sense for the Cincinnati Bengals to invite Manny Lawson back for another season. Though he only took part in 529 defensive snaps last year, he generated a tackle every 6.8 snaps, registering 1.5 quarterback sacks and three passes defensed -- the snap/tackle ratio and quarterback sacks generated is better than Thomas Howard. Additionally Lawson scored the third-highest score (8.1) against the run according to Pro Football Focus, best amongst all linebackers. Lawson also finished the season ranked as the defense's third-most productive player behind Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap.

So it's fairly obvious that the Bengals aren't likely to re-sign Lawson, right?

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During the 2011 NFL Draft, the team selected Dontay Moch in the third round, hoping to convert the defensive end into a linebacker that primarily rushed the passer. This was one year after the team selected Texas linebacker Roddrick Muckelroy in the fourth round of the 2010 NFL Draft. Before both players suffered extensive injuries during training camp, with Muckelroy losing the entire season, these young linebackers were projected to become huge influences within the overall defense with Muckelroy's high-tackle track record and Moch with his pass rushing history.

Instead both players suffered extensive injuries, forcing the team to sign veterans in Thomas Howard and Manny Lawson, compounded by the mysterious nature of Keith Rivers' wrist injury that reportedly required reconstructive surgery. Like Muckelroy, Rivers was lost for the entire season.

Do the Bengals bring Lawson back for another year, or move on with their planned youth movement one year later? Is Lawson's Cincinnati future tied into Keith Rivers and whether the team decides to move on after the linebacker, though a solid tackler and good against the run, generated mostly negative reviews for his lack of big-plays? And then what of Brandon Johnson?

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Sign him, if he does not work out,

we can always cut him or release him… :)

by pemci on Feb 6, 2012 9:47 AM EST reply actions  

Plus,

a full year in the system and under the tutelage of Zim, would be interesting to see what Lawson can do… :)

by pemci on Feb 6, 2012 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

Lawson has turned into a very good 4-3 LB

And very good at stopping the run. He has given us more at the SLB than Rey ever did. I’d love us to sign him.

I really want some continuity. Sign Lawson and we have the same starting LBs from last year. That can only help now that they have an offseason.

by Mexal on Feb 6, 2012 9:51 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed and with the depth we have with Rivers, Moch, Skuta, Johnson (if re-signs) etc..........

we’ve got some solid starters with quality depth.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 10:46 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we resign Johnson

I’d love to as he’s great depth but he probably wants to try to start somewhere so I figure he tests the market.

How many LBs do we normally take? 8? That’d be Howard, Rey M, Rivers, Moch, Much, Skuta, Lawson and another STer? It’s doable to resign him.

by Mexal on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I like B johnson....

He’s a great filler in rotation but not any better than our starters….I want us to draft the next JJ Watt soon, or Mario Williams, or Urlacher type player….. I love Rey but he’s got one more year in my book and then hes a backup

AD to AJ = TD!!

by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 6, 2012 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

My thinking was Johnson supposed to be good in coverage and typically comes in on 3rd downs......

I think with the group we have, we definitely need a guy who specializes in this.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

He is extremely valuable in passing situations considering that our other LBs have proven to be mediocre (at best) in pass coverage.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 6, 2012 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't see any reason not to.

I’d liek to explore some options to upgrade the top of the depth chart at LB, but Lawson has proven he can start, at the very least be a VERY solid backup, and should be pretty cheap. This is going to be my exact answer with just about every FA on the defensive side of the ball except for Crocker and possibly Pacman.

by eric nyc on Feb 6, 2012 9:55 AM EST reply actions  

IMO Jones is a must resign too.

He is one of our corners that we KNOW will be able to play next year. Hall is a question mark, Clements can play, Jones can play. After that we have Ghee? Jennings? Rookies? If we don’t resign him we have huge questions at corner. Not to mention if we keep him as a nickel corner, he will be able to return kicks/punts for us, which is a big plus. That way we can ditch Tate and free up the roster spot which we will need since we have a number of guys coming back from injuries.

by Luke on Feb 6, 2012 10:10 AM EST up reply actions  

I know this isn't the most popular opinion around here...

But I’d rather re-sign Jennings than Jones. I think it’s kind of ironic that if it wasn’t for Jones’ past, I dont’ think many Bengals fans would even think twice about him. He didn’t play well last year at all. The last few games he played terribly, was always out of place, was constantly fighting and bickering with the other DB’s (because it was apparently always someone else’s fault). You could easily make the argument that Jennings played better. I DEFINITELY don’t want to go into the season with any chance of Jennings starting, but assuming we draft a guy in the first two rounds to at least play nickel, even if Hall isn’t ready to go opening day then you have Clements and the rookie to start.

If Jones wants to give us a deep discount and knows he’s going to be a backup, and if we cut Tate and have Pacman returning punts every time, my opinion would change. But I think he’s going to try to get paid and with the weak corner FA market this year I don’t think he’s worth what he’s going to get. We can do better.

by eric nyc on Feb 6, 2012 10:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah I wouldn't pay him a monster contract.

But he is more of a sure thing than a rookie. I also hope they resign Jennings. I think he will get a lot better with some more experience in the system and coaching. I still think we need to keep Jones also, though, as a return man and just to have as an option at corner. He didn’t play terribly, yes there were some mistakes, but some of it was safety error and miscommunication. Also you have to remember he came back and played after sitting for an entire year and got thrown into the starting role immediately. I think with an offseason he will play a lot better than he did this year.

Also remember there is no guarantee that a rookie will even play close to as well… Just look at Peterson last year. Highest CB with great talent but didn’t play that well at corner. He really only shined as a return guy.

by Luke on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

why not both?

Pacman and Jennings did provide some what of a suitable replacement for Leon. and now that Hall comes back and we possibly draft 1 or 2 more corners high up in the draft? we would be stacked.

by spencodude on Feb 6, 2012 11:48 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm on the other side

I’d be OK with resigning Jones but not Jennings. Jones played well in an elevated role for the most part, except for the last game of season (Houston). Jennings is NOT very good and eventhough it appeared he played better down the stretch, if you go back and look at the films you will see there were numerous times he was beat and the QB just missed the throw to the WR he was covering.

by biggie22 on Feb 6, 2012 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

I think Jennings and Jones can both be better

the two were barely on the team due to suspension and injury. Give them a full offseason and good health and I think the two will do a heck of a lot better than they did last year. The Bengals are going to need the depth, so either they get it in free agency or both stay. And these two will have to come at a far lower rate than those in free agency as they didn’t really show much last year that deserves getting paid. Kind of an ideal situation for the Bengals ownership.

by M Shop on Feb 6, 2012 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think we're going to have much of a choice unfortunately due to depth......

even if we draft two CB’s, we’re still going to be thin with those guys being rookies. We have to have someone for depth, considering there is a strong chance Leon might not be ready. I’d love to think that a higher drafted rookie would be ready, but we should work him in as a #3 in the Nickel package first before putting him out there.

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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 2:44 PM EST up reply actions  

id look at some upgrade options

But he’s been good, so I see no reasons to not keep him. I’m actually really starting to think linebacker in the draft if someone is available who’s good.

by JCompton41 on Feb 6, 2012 9:58 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

I go back and forth

Ive gone back and forth on this. He played good but not great and I’d like to see what the young guys do. I also have been a Brandon Johnson fan for a while and think he should get a shot at starting. Rivers is the wild card he shows flashed but isn’t consistent enough.

by Engelj06 on Feb 6, 2012 10:07 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Have to disagree on Rivers

If anything, Rivers is the PICTURE of consistency. The problem most people have with Rivers is that he isn’t spectacular at any one thing. But he’s always in position and almost never misses a tackle. I wish he could be a monster talent at the position, and I wouldn’t be opposed to trading or releasing him to free up cap space, but it wouldn’t be because of inconsistency. It would be because some opportunity arose to upgrade.

by eric nyc on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Agree

Rivers is not a spectacular player but you know what you are getting with him and that is a serviceable linebacker who is generally where he is supposed to be and will make a big play once in a while

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 6, 2012 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Note: Thomas Howard

Played a lot of Sam LB for the Oakland Raiders. He’s not Lewis or Zimmer’s ideal SLB, but he has done it for an extended time. If they keep Rivers, and go with Howard at SLB, that would add yo the athleticism and coverage abilities.
I’m still one who thinks Marvin wants his Pollack at Sam LB, and he sees Lawson as a decent fit but I think he’d like a better pass rusher than Lawson. This positions is still being developed I believe and Marvin’s ideal SLB isn’t on the roster currently.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 6, 2012 10:16 AM EST via Android app reply actions  

Once a player misses an entire season, you cannot count on them anymore. If he does anything, GREAT! But for now, he’s in Brandon Ghee – Chase Coffman territory.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 6, 2012 10:42 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

+1

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 6, 2012 10:58 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And I’m a big Moch guy myself. I loved him as a prospect going into that draft.

Muckelroy isn’t quite in the same category because he’s at least done something, but he also can’t be depended on. Both could be very good, but they aren’t sure things in the slightest.

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by sexsalad on Feb 6, 2012 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Exactly. Loved Moch’s potential. Muck could be a solid depth/spot starter. Let’s see but let’s not count on them.

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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 6, 2012 11:31 AM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Lawson and Howard are starters until proven otherwise

Lawson and Howard are the 2 best LB’s on the team. We need them both and should go into training camp with them projected as starters until someone beats them out. Moch, Muckelroy and Rivers have to win a roster spot this summer.

I hope Muckelroy is ready to take the MLB position from Rey but that is probably asking too much — we do need an upgrade in the middle though so heopefully we get in FA or the draft. Seriously doubt Rivers can take the starting job from Howard but the competition will be good for both of them. Moch is just an experiment – at best he’ll be a situational player next season.

Brandon Johnson is a solid LB who brings a lot of passion and toughness but it seems apparent that he just doesn’t have what Lewis and Zimmer want — so I hope they cut him loose and let him find a job somewhere else where he can stay on the field.

by Jim Spann on Feb 6, 2012 10:18 AM EST reply actions  

You need to give Rey an offseason

This was his first year at MLB and we had no offseason. If next year he doesn’t preform up to snuff then that is justified criticism.

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 6, 2012 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree

He was also limited by a high ankle sprain. I’d like to see him with a full offseason and healthy.

Not to mention that Howard and Lawson were both FAs so he had never played with them either. I’m just surprised we got decent play out of our LBs considering.

by Mexal on Feb 6, 2012 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Right

His ankle injury was a bit more severe than Marvin let on (surprise surprise). It really slowed him down

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 6, 2012 10:51 AM EST up reply actions  

No entitlements in this League

No way we should “give” Rey or any player another year. Players don’t become great by giving them slack. The ankle is a non-factor. He was on the field so he has to make the plays.

You must be thinking our Def just needs a minor tweak or two to be dominant. On a team like the Bengals they all have to win their jobs every year. We need a dominant MLB and it doesn’t matter to me if he is wearing #58 or something else. If we put some serious competition on Rey in camp and he beats all contenders than he is the man. Personally I don’t think he has the instincts for MLB. Muckelroy might be the guy but no GM serious about winning a SB would go into camp with him as the only viable alternative to upgrade the position.

by Jim Spann on Feb 6, 2012 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

So you think a player who has never played

a position before in the NFL should come in with little to no offseason and be dominant. C’mon even if the ankle was a non factor he deserves another year to develop.

AJ Green = Optimus Prime

by Helmsy on Feb 6, 2012 1:22 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Spann

If he was a great MLB we would’ve saw it this yr. He slid to us in the draft so maybe other teams saw him for what he is and that’s average. He played MLB in college so he’s not a strange to the position. The only thing I will cut him slack on is that him being SAM last yr he wasn’t on the field as much as he was this yr so maybe he might get better but I doubt it’s going to be by much. We need more out of our MLB, that’s a key position and to big of a spot to have average play. Rey isn’t killing us but he isn’t taking us to the next level either. We need a playmaker at MLB. Damn you Odell!

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 6, 2012 2:02 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

Sign Everyone?

It is strange. At this time of year, it seems that most people want to sign everyone forgetting the magic 53 man roster. Does everyone remember we already have 2 guys at LB that will have to be cut (barring injury, PUP, etc) and that doesn’t include whoever we might draft? Personally, I wouldn’t mind signing him as an insurance policy with the full intention of cutting him before the season starts if 1) our young guys pan out and 2) we remain healthy. The same can be said of B Johnson. Both Lawson and Johnson are good. In fact, I would call them very good backups. If we want to dominate, we need to keep upgrading the position and each of those guys are solid but not dominant. If Muck and Moch can be an upgrade to our D, the “solid backup” guys have to go.

I can’t wait for training camp.

by steveinct on Feb 6, 2012 10:34 AM EST reply actions  

Don't know how they could be

Muck and Moch have barely played and have come off of season ending injuries. Lawson was our best defender against the run and decent enough in coverage. I’d rather resign Lawson, who played all year with Howard and Rey then rely on two guys who haven’t played.

Don’t know who else would replace Lawson if we don’t resign him. We’d probably end up with another free agent which makes no sense to me. Lets keep up the continuity.

by Mexal on Feb 6, 2012 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

Your right

They have River/Moch/Muckelroy coming back -

They may not have a great LB unit – but if they just improve al ittle and get one or two fo those guys back it will be a good offseason at LB

They have too many other priorities to spend much $ or draft picks on LB

by TX Bengal on Feb 6, 2012 10:45 AM EST reply actions  

Plus...

DeQuin Evans and Micah Johnson who bother were on the practice squad… :)

by pemci on Feb 6, 2012 11:10 AM EST up reply actions  

DeQuin Evans is a favorite of mine..

The guy tore it up in the preseason. He was busted for PEDs and then had a shoulder injury though so.. who knows.

by Cry on Feb 6, 2012 4:24 PM EST up reply actions  

I think they should sign him

But the idea of signing him and then cutting him is unlikely. His numbers show he is dominant against the run at his position. He will get looked at by other teams. He is a former first round pick and I think he will only get better year 2 in the system

by EPK1979 on Feb 6, 2012 10:48 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

Also

Its going to be intresting to see what we get from players like Howard, Sands, Moch, Mays, Boiling, Clements and if resigned Lawson, after a year in the system. With ota’s, mini camps and a training camp thats not rushed, I think they all will be better.

by EPK1979 on Feb 6, 2012 10:54 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Bring him back.

Continuity counts. He believed in Zimmers system and you would expect he wants to continue with something great.

Besides, am I the only one who wants to trade Rivers for picks or players?

by Cincinnati222 on Feb 6, 2012 11:22 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

whatever it takes to upgrade this unit is what we should do

We need LB’s that are street fighters. Guys who fight through the blocks and make the plays week after week. If Marvin and Zim think Rivers is this kind of guy – lock him in; if not, ship him out.

by Jim Spann on Feb 6, 2012 11:34 AM EST reply actions  

i'am i the only one...

who thinks that the reason Rivers or Malauga haven’t flourished yet is because of our Lb coach? arent we signing a new one this off season?/

by spencodude on Feb 6, 2012 11:49 AM EST reply actions  

it's probably time to cut Rivers

He’s making way more money than he’s earned in his career. He’s been somewhat of an injury liability, and he isn’t much of a playmaker on the field.

by Animal_Like_Football on Feb 6, 2012 11:53 AM EST reply actions  

they drafted him because he was solid

be he was needed because all our LBers were hurt

and he hasnt provided that healthy support…

by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 6, 2012 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Who would you rather have as a backup

Rivers or Johnson? Rivers has proven he can start and win the job over Johnson. Rivers is already on contract so why not just keep him we aren’t hurting for money. We got great line play which helped the LB this season. Rivers could very well play better than Howard next season behind that line so I wouldn’t give up on him just yet.

by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 6, 2012 2:16 PM EST via Android app up reply actions  

I say resign him

Buts its a double edge sword.

We have Muckeroy returning
Moch to step up
Rivers returning next year

and with
Skuta
Rey
Lawson
Howard
Maulauga

thats a lot of linebackers. If we want to keep them all (some are excellent STer’s) we will have to go lite elsewhere

if we end up trading one like rivers for a DB then that might help And we still have Dequan Evans on the PS (looked good last year)

by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 6, 2012 12:01 PM EST reply actions  

Marvin versus Zimmer on LBs

Marvin tends to prefer high-ceiling LBs: either guys that were elite pass-rushers in college (Pollack, Brooks, Moch) or guys that are athletic freaks known for their hitting ability (Odell, Rey).

Zimmer seems to prefer consistent, intelligent, Dhani-esque guys. That’s why he’s gotten a lot of production out of FA LBs that aren’t very Marvin-esque—B. Johnson, Howard. The solid-but-unspectacular Rivers has been effective in his system, as well. (Granted, Marvin was the one that drafted him, but our first-round options were limited, that year.)

As fans, we naturally want every part of our team to be explosive. But we’ve gotten top-ten defenses with “only” a solid LB corps, and most of our LB problems this year didn’t come from a lack of athleticism. They came from a lack of discipline/football IQ.

I’d rather focus on finding starters in the secondary and depth for the d-line. I’m comfortable with the LB personnel we have. Sure, if a good pass-rushing LB falls to us in the middle rounds (we don’t currently have one; Moch is still just potential), I could see us grabbing him. But I don’t think we have any issues beyond that. Rey is a wild card, but I’d like to see how Muck and Evans develop as MLB candidates.

by Big Sky Bengal on Feb 6, 2012 12:14 PM EST reply actions  

Top 10 defense doesn't mean much if we cannot create big plays

It just means we limit yards. The difference between the 5th ranked defense and the 10th ranked defense is 20 ypg. That’s not loads.

What we need is playmakers and it’s something we significantly lack at the moment. I like Lawson and Howard with Rey in the middle. I just want to see more big plays from the front 7 as a whole.

by Mexal on Feb 6, 2012 12:25 PM EST up reply actions  

wasnt there 3 games in a row when we had a Defensive TD

Our D can make plays.. But once we lost Hall / Sims they slowed down alot.

by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST up reply actions  

I take your point...

…but I’d rather have a productive/reliable player in hand than “potential” in the bush. And I think we need to get competent in the secondary before we worry about finding help for a position that already has that competence.

by Big Sky Bengal on Feb 6, 2012 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know if I would include Thomas Howard

As a Dhani-esque kind of guy. He’s a big strong athletic freak with huge potential. He runs around a 4.4 fourty yard dash, having sais that, I see your point:)

by biggie22 on Feb 6, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions  

If he doesn't require a huge contract...................

Sign him. We could do worse, and at least we know what you get with Lawson. Personally I like depth at Linebacker and we always have someone out with an injury. Keep him for a decent salary and go after our real needs via FA and the draft.

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by bengals4eva on Feb 6, 2012 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

Lawson was a cog in a very effective machine

He played a part in a good defense and was a solid contributor, though not spectacular. He has some value and I’d like to see him back again at the SAM LB spot.

Though he will never be as talented as where he was initially drafted, he played well for the Bengals and he is still relatively young. He has great size and decent speed for how big he is. I’d like him back in 2012, though I won’t be heartbroken if he walks.

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by Anthony Cosenza on Feb 6, 2012 1:19 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

He was solid and I would AT LEAST get him to camp to compete with Rivers, Moch and Muck….I am with you…would like to see him..but wont be too upset if he leaves

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by ticalcaldwell on Feb 6, 2012 1:44 PM EST up reply actions  

If we don't sign him

I’m going to cry. lol. It was always my dream to get him on the team. I love his potential. I use to always trade to get him on the bengals on Madden. Please keep him

by hewesdilg on Feb 6, 2012 6:30 PM EST reply actions  

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