SB Nation Mock Draft Selects A Guard And Cornerback
by Josh Kirkendall on Feb 6, 2012 12:30 PM EST
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PrintLast week the SB Nation Mock Draft had Cincinnati selecting a cornerback in North Alabama's Janoris Jenkins and Boise State Running Back Doug Martin 17th and 21st respectively. Cincinnati could definitely use help at both positions, there's no doubt -- though I've been personally adamant that first round running backs have become somewhat of a waste. A week later SB Nation published a new mock draft, which includes neither player. And we're fairly certain you'll like one of them.
With the 17th pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, SB Nation has the Bengals selecting Sanford guard David DeCastro. Bobbie Williams, Nate Livings and Mike McGlynn are all entering free agency with Clint Boling and Otis Hudson as the team's only signed guards. Drafting an offensive guard certainly falls under the "holy good golly we need one of those" desperation headings.
And with the 21st pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, SB Nation has Cincinnati selecting a cornerback in Alfonzo Dennard out of Nebraska. Though not as panic-stricken with the need to acquire help on the offensive line, one must take a long-term focus on the team's cornerback situation. Leon Hall may not be ready after shredding his knee midway through the season. Nate Clements often highlights hints of a talent that was one of the league's better cornerbacks, though he also allowed a handful of big plays. Both Adam Jones and Kelly Jennings will become unrestricted free agents.
Though that would address two major needs on this team, there's still an issue of running back, safety, another member in the second and offensive line, a wide receiver, a backup tight end to compliment Jermaine Gresham... there's still a lot that this team needs.
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Dangit why to they keep sticking us with Denard...
There are at least 4-5 CB’s i would take before him in the 1st round and not all will be gone by 21
They also think Hall went down because of a knee issue..........
“Leon Hall may not be ready after shredding his knee midway through the season.” DeCastro = great pick, makes perfect sense. CB = good pick, wrong guy.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
leon
Yea had to be a typo i’m sure but I think leon’s work ethic will get him ready. he went down fairly early in the season. If he doesn’t come back 100% i’ll be devastated
Clint R. Boggs
100%?
get ready then
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 6, 2012 2:23 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Agreed, don't think there's anyway.
We’ll definitely address in the draft and hopefully via FA as well.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST up reply actions
I had a friend who blew out his Achilles
and it took him 9 mnths to rehab it back to a normalcy that allowed him to walk without a limp….it took him over a year to strengthen his leg enough to get back out on the soccer pitch and even then he wasn’t back to normal for at least a year and a half or more. No granted I know Leon has millions and a strength and supporting staff to help along the way. Plus in the NFL they seem to be able to magically heal injuries faster than your normal doctor but I would’t be a least mildly surprised to see him still on IR next year and maybe not getting back to the field until mid-way through the season next year.
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions
I believe it.........
a lot of players it takes a long time to come back and some never return to how they were prior to the injury. We are going to have to stock the secondary with both the draft and FA. With the draft we’ll have young rookies, so we’re going to have to bring in someone via FA. As much as I’ve soured on Pacman, we may have to bring him back because we have zero depth (same for Jennings too).
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 2:35 PM EST up reply actions
what makes you think he won't be ready?
welker came back on time after a knee injury… not sure why Leon won’t. Is there a timeline I am unaware of?
No, not specifically.
I just keep hearing a lot of assumptions that he’ll be back and at full strength. I would rather be prepared for if he isn’t and we don’t have the luxury of much depth at that position.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 6, 2012 3:18 PM EST up reply actions
knee and Achilles aren’t even close
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 6, 2012 3:19 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Kenny Irons -Ki Jana
Never came back from knee injuries – and most do from ACL.
It is wait and see on Hall – hope for best – prepare for worst
achilles is different from ACL.......
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
there is no telling what hall is like when he comes back
or when he comes back. hope he’s ready in week 1 to start and playing 100%, however, the bengals have to plan for the possibility of hall not being available or the same player.
cb is the biggest positing on need on this team. followed very, very closely by guard
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Because he's apparently a first round talent
And alot of these mockers think us and a few other teams will pick for need There’s no way both Cheifs and Cardinals pass up on DeCastro
I like the theory
in Decastro and the top corner available that fits what Cincy does on D, just disagree that Dennard is that corner, especially with Gilmore on the board.
by Cedric Benson Boat Party on Feb 6, 2012 12:40 PM EST reply actions
Yes gilmore is who i want...
but ive also seen Jenkins / Kirkpatrick falling to us…
by Bengalsfan024 on Feb 6, 2012 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
If Kirkpatrick miraculously falls to 21 (or 17, provided DeCastro and Richardson are gone) I think he's the guy.
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Going to be interesting to see how the CB rankings pan out closer to the draft
Gilmore in particular seems to go anywhere from near the top 10 to the bottom of the 2nd round depending on what mock you’re looking at. There’s no way there’s THAT much subjectivity in evaluating his game. I keep getting on and off the Dennard bandwagon. He definitely has the skills, but I worry about his frame…short arms mean he can’t afford to lose even half a step with receivers or he won’t be able to contest anything against NFL talent. He has the ability to do that, but all it takes is one or two snaps a game where he slips and it could be a disaster. I’ll trust Zimmer’s evaluation of any CB we take, but obviously I’m happy with any scenario that gets us DeCastro.
Dream Draft
DeCastro, Miller, Gilmore or Kirkpatrick, Wright or Miller.
by EPK1979 on Feb 6, 2012 1:11 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I liked rotoworld's draft
Kirkpatrick and Martin.
I have a hard time seeing us get DeCastro but obviously he’s my #1 pick. I don’t really want Dennard though.
From Reading Bengals.com
Yesterday and with Marvin saying how he wants to play more zone, I dont think Dennard would be a good fit. So hopefully that crosses him off the list.
by EPK1979 on Feb 6, 2012 1:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
decastro
I like decastro, I also like cordy, i have a feeling he’ll be available to us as well. maybe at 21
Clint R. Boggs
Best Guard in the draft
I just dont see him being there….If he is….pull the trigger
"Mahmoud, Kim Jong, 86 ya sh__ bitches, or Ima do it fo ya"...Luther...Obama's anger translator
by ticalcaldwell on Feb 6, 2012 1:21 PM EST up reply actions
crazy story kinda off topic
a guy bet a 1000 dollars that the first score the SB would be a Giants safety….50-1 odds…won 50 grand…..wow….talk about getting lucky….
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/man-wins-50-000-tom-brady-safety-155056494.html
"Mahmoud, Kim Jong, 86 ya sh__ bitches, or Ima do it fo ya"...Luther...Obama's anger translator
Surprised it wasn't 100-1
That was lucky and you’d have to be rich or crazy to take that bet. How many safety’s was there all season 3 maybe 4. And to bet that it was going to be the first score by a certain team is just insane. That was just pure luck if someone says they statically saw that coming their full of sh1t.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 6, 2012 1:48 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Highly unlikely
But what if the Bengals shocked all of us fans and sign a Nicks or Grubbs. Would people still want a DeCastro or would he not be wanted as much?
by EPK1979 on Feb 6, 2012 1:34 PM EST via mobile reply actions
He wouldn't be needed but he'd definitely be wanted
Imagine our line if we had DeCastro and Nicks/Grubbs?
I think, no matter what we do in FA, if he’s there, you grab him. If he’s not, you don’t reach. I’m even all for taking a DT in the first round of he’s the BPA.
Grubbs is LG and DeCastro RG
So yeah I’d still take him. I’d even resign Bobbie to maybe start until DeCastro is ready or just for depth. We build that line this off season and it’ll make this team way better.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 6, 2012 1:51 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
You put your 5 best guys on the line
if they’re all LGs, who cares. I realize there’s differences, but the great coaches are pretty much unanimous in this. The best 5 guys.
That said, I’d be ecstatic if we signed Grubbs, Nicks, and DeCastro. 2 would suffice, but I’d be happy with all three.
As long as we get at least 1, I’m not upset.
I agree
besides QB we should get BPA for our system in the 1st round.
Is Dennard too short
Under 5’10. Can Dennard match up with Mike Wallace and Torry Smith?
I would take Decastro in a heartbeat.
I would also select Mark Barron at Saftie.
He is ranked the #1 Saftie in the draft for good cause.
When will the Bengals ever have i chance to aquire a Saftie like Mark Barron?
Mike Wallace and Torry Smith will no longer feel safe with Barron lurking in the background.
I'd rather wait to see what Mays can do at Saftie :)
and grab one in next year’s draft. This is a weak draft class for safety and Barron in other years wouldn’t be a first round pick. He is here though because there is so much dropoff after him. Next year will be a better option to pick up a safety not only because the talent is better, but because we will have had time to evaluate and develop Mays and Sands in Zimmer’s system.
Not only that, but
Barron has great ball skills as well. He is a little raw in some areas, but you’re exactly right— Barron is a manimal. Wouldn’t mind seeing us take a Safety and a Corner in the first rd.
by whodeycommish14 on Feb 6, 2012 2:29 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I agree
just like I have said before….Every team in our division has a star safety….we need FINALLY take this postion seriously…it just seems that this position has gotten some make-shift pieces every year from older players…Crock, Dexter Jackson, Ndukwe, ….ect
"Mahmoud, Kim Jong, 86 ya sh__ bitches, or Ima do it fo ya"...Luther...Obama's anger translator
by ticalcaldwell on Feb 6, 2012 2:32 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Kim Herring, Anthony Mitchell, Marvin White...
Herana-Daze Jones, Kevin Kaesviharn, Corey Lynch, John Busing, Madieu Williams, Kyries Hebert, Ethan Kilmer, Mike Doss, Mark Roman, Rogers Beckett, Ifeanyi Ohalete and I am sure I missed one of two others we have had, have not been star’s enough for you? ;) Just kidding, I know what you mean, hopefully we will get a star soon… :)
by pemci on Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 2 recs
lol
that is quite a list….I forgot about Marvin White and Williams….ughgh…Yeah we need some safety help
"Mahmoud, Kim Jong, 86 ya sh__ bitches, or Ima do it fo ya"...Luther...Obama's anger translator
by ticalcaldwell on Feb 6, 2012 5:16 PM EST up reply actions
While I like Barron
He is ranked the #1 Saftie in the draft for good cause.
It’s a weak safety class.
When will the Bengals ever have i chance to aquire a Saftie like Mark Barron?Next draft when a stronger class comes out
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 6, 2012 2:24 PM EST reply actions
I agree to a point
I wouldn’t be upset if they picked up both DeCastro and Glenn in the 1st round and a RB in the 2nd. Do we need help in the secondary? YES! I just don’t think anyone available will be worth it. We draft all defense or BPA from the 3rd round on.
We resign Collins and Leonard on offense.
We resign Nelson, Lawson, Sims
We get rid of Crocker and sign either a FA CB or S. ( if a CB, we move Clements to S)
We bring back the rest of the secondary (including Jennings)
A dreamers wishlist.:
I would love for the Bengals to make a big splash in FA.
I would love them to splurge on a guy like Mario Williams. Move him to his natural position of DE opposite Dunlap. Instant nightmare scenario for any opponent,
Just imagine
Williams, Adkins and Dunlap.—- wow!! We wouldn’t need a huge upgrade in the secondary with a pass rush like that.
The I woke up and realized this is still Cincy so I don’t exactly get my hopes up that high.
One more thing. I think our #2 WR is already with the team— Armon Binns
6-3 210 and 22 years old. He will be as good as any we can pick up in the draft and I dont think we can get any better FA without paying too much.
Just my 2 cents.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
i'd just be happy with the majority of our free agents being resigned
that in itself would be a big off season splash in free agency for the bengals
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I thought Leonard
signed a 2 year contract last year?
From what I have read, Clements does NOT want to play safety and that may have been the reason him and the 49ers parted ways
It will be interesting to see what Binns, Hazleton, Micah Johnson, DeQuin Evans and others who were on the practice squad this past year can do when they are given a chance. Evans was the only one who played in the preseason for the Bengals, and Binns was signed off the practice squad for the last game (or two) of the season…we have a few options, but we will see….
from rotoworld
7/29/2011: Signed a two-year, $2 million contract. Another $500,000 is available through incentives.
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
I think you are right about Leonard.
There isn’t exactly any worthwhile S’s available in the draft or FA.( I don’t expect Barron to be there for us) Unless Sands steps up and becomes that “guy” we are stuck with a guy like Crocker.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
and or Mays....
AD to AJ = TD!!
by Toasted_Orange_Monster on Feb 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST up reply actions
Thing is, there's potential guards to be had in FA.
The best CB on the market is Courtland Innegan. After him, I think it might be Brent Grimes? The market’s pretty poor this year to my knowledge, we should be striving to take a CB early. It’s a good class with a lot of talented guys this year.
"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus
I feel like the Bengals need a speed guy at corner
to match up with Wallace and Smith. Kinda unfamiliar with the CBs in this draft. So which ones project that way?
list of cb prospects in 2012 draft listed by rank with 40 speed times
662 DeAndre Presley 4.38
421 Chris Greenwood 4.39
214 Asa Jackson 4.40
530 Josh Pleasant 4.41
705 Johnny Williams 4.42
474 Buddy Jackson 4.42
355 Ron Brooks 4.42
467 Quinton Pointer 4.43
435 Greg McCoy 4.43
63 Brandon Boykin 4.44
4 *Morris Claiborne 4.45
718 Tremayne Graham 4.46
512 Cris Hill 4.46
17 Janoris Jenkins 4.46
139 *Josh Robinson 4.47
750 Chaz Powell 4.48
748 Isaac Madison 4.48
575 Michael Peterson 4.48
128 Coryell Judie 4.48
459 Laron Scott 4.49
365 Gary Gray 4.49
302 Antonio Fenelus 4.49
225 Charles Brown 4.49
195 Omar Bolden 4.49
169 Micah Pellerin 4.49
136 *Cliff Harris 4.49
121 Dwight Bentley 4.49
118 Shaun Prater 4.49
52 Chase Minnifield 4.49
47 Leonard Johnson 4.49
27 Alfonzo Dennard 4.49
10 *Dre Kirkpatrick 4.49
source:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_CB?&1:col1=10&1:col2=10
"the bengals are not a west of the 104 longitude team."
Heres Where I would Go!!
David DeCastro OG in the 1st and Trade down the second 1st for a 2nd and a 4th round pick and a future 2nd
and then we use the extra second to get and trade down the 2nd 2nd round for a 3rd and also a future 4th round… 3rd round Josh Robinson DB UCF and get 4th Keenan Robinson LB out of Texas
it all depends on who is on the board before I trade anything
There may be DeCastro then Janoris available….you never know
"Mahmoud, Kim Jong, 86 ya sh__ bitches, or Ima do it fo ya"...Luther...Obama's anger translator
by ticalcaldwell on Feb 6, 2012 2:33 PM EST up reply actions
Marvin giggles?
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Looks really good
Especially the Emmanuel Acho pick though i would like to see 2 or even three CB and a backup T instead of C
No offense, but I am certain there is a mock draft for everyone's taste...
However, with the NFL combine two weeks away and until Free Agency starts (5 weeks from now) all these mock drafts can be radically changed. A players does better than expected, one does worse than expected, plus, we plug a whole through free agency, etc., etc. …. don’t get me wrong, it is fun seeing who we would like to see in stripes, but be open to changes.. ;)
You are right of course
But it is somekind of strange sickness we all have to specualte on FA/Draft etc.
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