Giants Super Bowl Victory Should Create Hope For Bengals Fans
We love a good David vs Goliath story. The Giants defeating the undefeated Patriots in Super Bowl 42 was the perfect story. That Patriots team was talented, deep, explosive and as perfect as you could get. That Giants team was facing turmoil, bad coaching, QB questions and unknowns at key positions. We didn't know that they were capable of doing the unthinkable that season. After they ended the Patriots undefeated season was when we realized how good of a team the Giants actually were.
This year both teams appeared like shells of their former selves. Neither were complete. Each finished the season with glaring holes. The Patriots sported one of the league's worst defenses, didn't run the ball well and couldn't throw it deep. The Giants started much like they did the 2007 season; hot-seat coaching, questionable quarterback play with a barrage of injuries.
New York was lucky to get into the playoffs with a 9-7 record. New England was expected to compete for another title because they have the best coach-quarterback pairing since the legendary Joe Montana and Bill Walsh. You can't mimic the Patriots plan. Hall of Fame coaches and quarterbacks aren't falling out of the sky.
The New York Giants on the other hand have laid the blueprint to modern NFL success that our Cincinnati Bengals can follow. If you look deeper into this Giants team, our boys in stripes may be closer than you would think.
How did the Giants do it? They have one of the worst offensive lines in the NFL. Only right guard Chris Snee is worth keeping. Their one of the few playoff teams that didn't feature a freak Tight End. Their secondary was decimated by injuries. Their middle linebacker wouldn't start with another team in the league and these are just a few holes the Giants have. Their strength on offense is in their two-back rushing attack and diverse wide receiver group, lead by the now- complete quarterback in Eli Manning.
The Bengals are already showing signs of following this direction. Jay Gruden has already expressed a desire to share the football in the backfield. Easier said than done considering the Bengals need to revamp that position. Luckily for us, running back has proven to be an easy position to find in today's NFL. Every team has two capable backs and this year's draft is full of more. The Bengals actually have the better offensive line between the two teams but could still be looking for new blood at the guard positions. I don't think finding an elite guard is a must-have for this team. We've seen the nest guards in the league get man-handled this post-season. Marshall Yanda and Ben Grubbs couldn't hold their own against the Pats. Carl Nicks and Jahri Evans couldn't handle Justin Smith's tandem of loops and stunts. During the Super Bowl, Logan Mankins had his lunch taken by Justin Tuck and Chris Canty.
As for the pass catchers, A.J. Green, Jermaine Gresham and Jordan Shipley should be a solid trio but this team will need somebody opposite Green to alleviate pressure. They'll only need a 50 catch, 750 yards a season type guy in the mold of free agent WR Mario Manningham to fill out this receiving group. That leaves Dalton and his progression to become a complete QB. Adding a stable running game and weapons on the outside will only speed up this process. Eli's progression has been remarkable since his rookie year but Dalton has already started better. Hopefully signs of what's to come.
On defense, the Giants are built to rush the quarterback and disrupt the passing game. Makes sense considering the NFL is routinely referred to as a passing league. They're built very similar to the Bengals. Both have deep defensive lines that can generate pressure. The Giants have three stud defensive ends where the Bengals only really have one in Dunlap. Although the combination of Rucker, Johnson and Dunlap can pile up the sacks (14.5 between them), Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora and Jason Pierre-Paul combined to have 30.5 in the regular season. Dunlap and Umemyiora are similar as 3rd down pass rushers, but the Bengals don't have anything close to a JPP or even a Justin Tuck that can move inside and wreak havoc.
To be fair, the Giants don't have a Geno Atkins either. The point is, both teams live off pressure on the quarterback. Both teams even employ a former defensive end to play strong-side linebacker in a 4-3 defense. Giants weak-side linebacker Michael Boley is very similar to our own Thomas Howard. On paper, Rey Maualuga should develop into an upgrade over the Giants' Chase Blackburn. He's their intellectual leader of the Giants defense -- something Maualuga hasn't really achieved. In the secondary, New York has one good corner in Corey Webster and another solid guy in Aaron Ross. Similar production to what Leon Hall and Nate Clements should provide. The Bengals would love to add some youth in the first round the same way the Giants did last draft with Prince Amukamara. The similarities extend into the safety position. The Giants like to use three safeties at a time and none are truly elite players. They use a former CB in Antrel Rolle to man the FS spot. Zimmer has expressed interests in finding a similar type of guy that can cover the slot and play safety. Kenny Phillips and Reggie Nelson are the play-makers that sometimes get caught out of position. By adding a CB/FS type, the Bengals could be in a similar situation with Nelson and either Mays, Miles or Crocker being that third contributer at this position.
Looking at both teams gives me hope for the Bengals. The Giants weren't a complete team without flaws. They don't have first round picks and Pro Bowlers at every position. You don't need that. I think we as fans get caught up on how many holes need to be filled each off-season, instead of looking at team chemistry and the direction this team is heading. If the Giants show that it can be done with a dynamic passing attack on offense and an array of pass rushers on defense, the Bengals should be excited about their future. Even with the holes that may appear to be holding them back.
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why would the giants winning
create hope for the bengals?
Joe was compairing the 2 teams
And the Bengals have similar strengths and weaknesses as the Giants, is what he is getting at. So if they can win a Super Bowl, why cant the Bengals?
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 10:56 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Giants also had a lot of luck
It took a Miles Austin-Tony Romo screw up just to make the playoffs. They played Green Bay when their offensive coordinator son passed,which caused a distraction. They were fortunate to get 2 muffed punts against SF. Then Welker drops a catch that he
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 10:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Always makes in the Super Bowl. They had a lot of things go their way, so I think luck needs to come into play to win the Super Bowl too.
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 10:51 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
you make your own luck
they did what they had to do to get the job done. Only just, but they did it. If Welker made that catch who’s to say the Giants wouldn’t have scored again?
Yeah, I go by this school of thought.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 11:26 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
While I agree that a team "makes their own luck", this is only true to a certain extent.
Sometimes, however, luck is nothing more than pure and simple luck – no more, no less. For example, the 3 Giants’ fumbles in the SB which did NOT result in any Giants’ turnover is nothing more than pure luck. The Giants did NOT make their own luck in this regard. A football is an oval-shaped object, meaning, unlike a round ball, there is absolutely no telling which way it will bounce once it hits the field. The Giants recovering two of their own fumbles was nothing more than pure and simple luck. The Giants did not make their luck on these critical plays. Rather, they fortuitously recovered those fumbles for no other reason that because the ball bounced to one of the eleven players on the field wearing a Giants uniform. They were lucky. One recovery (i.e. the Hynoski recovery of the Nicks fumble) led to a Giants FG, and the other (i.e. the Bradshaw fumble) would have given the Patriots the ball just outside the Giants’ 10 yard line. Similarly, the other fumble (which was actually the first one of the game) did not resolve in a turnover for the simple reason that NE had 12 men on the field. The Giants got a huge break in this regard – i.e. they were simply lucky that NE’s staff was confused and sent in the wrong personnel package.
The point is that sometimes, luck is just that – luck. You can “Make your luck” at times, but often times pure, simple luck is involved. And that’s OK. At the end of the day, football is a game, and in any game, there will always be elements of pure luck involved. If one of those balls bounces differently (i.e. pure luck), and into the hands of a Patriots player, then we are talking about how the league (and Bengals) should emulate the Patriots, instead of drawing inspiration from the Giants. Btw, this post is not meant to take anything away from the Giants – they earned the SB victory. The post was meant to support “EPK1979’s” assertion that somethimes pure, simple luck plays a factor. It most certainly does, and denying this fact is to deny that football is a game. All games have some element of pure luck.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Hahaha thanks
You said it better than I could have.
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 1:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Great write-up like always, Joe
But I don’t really follow the logic that the Bengals don’t need an elite guard since even the elites have been getting beaten up lately. If anything, I would think that these ridiculous interior pass rush displays only serve to highlight the importance of elite guard talent…that is to say, if Jahri Evans is getting his lunch eaten, wouldn’t Livings be getting his entire kitchen cleaned out?
"I thought, 'Ball, please get down and into my hands.'"
-AJ Green
by Jaegner on Feb 7, 2012 11:25 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You can look at it both ways
1) Livings would’ve been destroyed by these interior rushers
or
2) The difference between the Elite guards and the lower tier guards isn’t as wide of a gap as we think. Livings gets beat in pass blocking 4-5 times a game (Based on the numbers I did throughout the season), these “Elite” guards were getting beat at a slightly less rate, but still, almost in Nate Livings fashion.
So my point was: While Livings can be upgraded, even the elite guards can’t hold up against the NFL’s interior rushers. The advantage definitely favors the defense in these matchups. An elite Guard won’t completely fix your problems. Instead, do it like the Packers; spread defenses out and only allow them to rush 4. This gives the OL the advantage again in a 5 vs 4 situation. Need playmakers on the outside to be able to do this, though. Giants did, Patriots didn’t.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 11:33 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
the NFL is truely a game of inches
it only takes a mili-second to create that extra inch or so of space to get beat or to get that first down…. etc etc etc
AMAS
We need better guards than we have now
McGarbage just isn’t going to cut it. Yes even the best guards get beat but we need some good run blockers. They don’t have to be elite caliber just better than what we have or had last season.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 7, 2012 12:36 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Oh I know McGlynn needs to be replaced but I also never considered him a starter. But I’ve seen people clamoring for Nicks or Grubbs when I’m saying Zuttah would be just fine for 1/4 of the money.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 12:38 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I wouldn't
Give up on Boling yet. Hopefully a year behind the other guys and getting a little playing time shows him what he needs to work on and improve. It’s early yet for him.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
Agree
He needed to get stronger and get more experience in the offense. A year and off-season conditioning should help him improve.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 12:49 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
+1
With all that and plus putting him back on the left side IMO should show some immediate improvement. Can’t Boling play center also or am I thinking of McGlynn?
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 7, 2012 2:34 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Boling can. He played every position at UGa and practiced at Center in camp last year.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 2:42 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Although he played center and right guard poorly, and I'd prefer if Boling stuck with left guard.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Yes. That’d be his best position.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 11:20 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
The difference is
The Giants always seem to play their best ball down the stretch. They peak at the right time. Furthermore, it always seems they rise up in the biggest games. To me, that speaks volumes about the mental toughness of the coaching staff, and the top-down effect it has on the players.
Marvin is a very good coach in many respects, but this is one attribute that he sorely lacks.
I've thought about this aspect ...
especially when Vernon Davis took over games or Larry Fitzgerald did a few years ago. Guys just seem to rise up. You saw it with Eli and Tuck. Osi also had a sack in each playoff game. Manningham scored a TD in every playoff game. I wonder which Bengals players would rise up.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 11:35 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
Your right
Besides AJ, I dont see anyone else being able to dominate for a four game stretch. That wont happen until they can get a consistent threat,outside,opposite of AJ. Just like you said.
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 11:47 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
What gets lost in all of this
Is Lewis was giving the Bengals job over Coughlin. It came down to the 2 of them.
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 11:37 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
but
Lewis has had a big part in the drafting here. Coughlin doesn’t do it in NY. He has a GM. Always has had one. So Mikey would’ve still been doing the GM duties here. Wouldn’t have been same results.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 11:40 AM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree
But I also think Coughlin wouldnt have put up with the nonsense that Lewis has over the years. Not saying the Bengals would have been the team with the championships but it would have been a tighter ship.
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 11:52 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
I don't really agree
Coughlin would have been in the same boat as Lewis— No “real” control of anything with the team. That was all part, or atleast the assumption, that Marvin wanted that control before signing his new deal before this past season.
Dick LeBeau , a hard nose, old school coach couldn’t change the way things are done around here and I really doubt Coughlin would have been able to as well. Marvin had to stay the course and was finally able to do what no other coach has been able to do in the MB era. That alone, in my eyes, makes Marvin the best coach for this team.
That doesn’t mean Marvin is the greatest coach, but I will take Marvin with some control over any other coach with NO control.
Coughlin would have been given the same players Marvin was given and I do not see Coughlin doing any more with those players than Marvin was aloud to do.
It really is a moot point because we can speculate all day long about the “what if”. Truth is we will never know.
"Next season will be better" circa 1990
disagree
Coughlin probably wouldn’t have put up with the nonsense of Mike Brown drafting/bringing in problem players. That’s one of the many reasons he wouldn’t have lasted here beyond a couple of years. Lewis was able to succeed quickly because he can relate to the players; Coughlin always struggled with this and he would have been a disaster here. It wouldn’t have been his fault, but Marv was the better fit at the time.
You make a very good point
But just like Marvin was giving more control over personel who is to say Coughlin wouldnt have been the same. Coughlin has always been sucessful, even in Jax. Yet every year he is suppose to get fired but he keeps winning Super Bowls
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 12:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Agree
May even be a better fit NOW also. Coughlin is the oldest coach in the NFL and the Bengals are one if the youngest. To Marvin’s credit, as you said, he’s been able to relate and adapt to his circumstances. He really rebuilt this team 3 times since 2003 under the worst Owner/GM in football.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 12:09 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Very great points guys
Its just always intresting to bring up the fact that they were the 2 finalist for the Bengals job long ago. Its only worth noting because Coughlin has won 2 Super Bowls since. I love what Lewis has done and hopefully he can get one.
by EPK1979 on Feb 7, 2012 12:27 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Not to sound like a Marvin basher
But another criticism I have of him is, the game moves too fast for him. Meaning, he doesn’t have the time to process and make good sound snap judgements on the fly. That’s why he stinks at challenges and time outs. And I also firmly believe that is part of the reason he plays so conservative. Would he ever make the call to let the Giants score with 57 seconds left? Never in a million years. Because he can’t process the ramifications like Belichick does.
But I’m sure he’d say “I made the best decision I could with the information available” and “the fans don’t really understand the game of football”.
dont get me started on Marvin
I have said it before…this is my last year to support Marvin…He has had the time, he has the players…..I cant watch another stupid use of a timeout or a ridiculous challenge that my 6 year old wouldn’t of done…..I think Marvin is a great motivator and the players love him….but like you said….it seems like the game moves too fast for him at times…..
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by ticalcaldwell on Feb 7, 2012 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with ya on one more year
I’ve always been a fan of Marvins. I really think he changed the whole atmosphere and thinking of the Bengals when he arrived and I’ll always be thankful to hom for that. It is time though to see some kind of step forward this season which I think will be extremely hard to do considering last year was a rebuilding or retooling of sorts. We may have gotten alot more success than we were suppose to so if he can match that I would consider it a great year. If not it’s been long enough and we need a change. I really think Marv and the other coaches have put a great bunch of players together but they may just need a new perspective on things that a new coach can bring. I’m not a fan of anyone on the coaching staff right now taking the reigns after Marvin either. Their great coach in the positions their in and that’s exactly where I’d keep them.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 7, 2012 2:44 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Great article Joe
What I take away from the Giants are two things:
1. QB pressure takes priority over almost everything in today’s passing NFL
2. Team momentum at the end of the season is key…losing 4 straight early or a coach on the hot seat…doesnt matter…how your team comes together once the playoffs begin…Do they play harder and gel as a team or do they buckle under the pressure…..
The Giants perfected both of these areas and we see the result……WHODEY
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Joe - I agree that the Bengals can (and should) draw inspiration from the Giants, in the sense that the Bengals (and their fans) should feel that, "Hey, if the Giants can win the SB, so can we".
However, I would NOT necessarily look at the Giants entire team as a “blueprint” and try to emulate it. The Giants have two of the most important elements that make a football team very tough to beat in a do-or die match-up (i.e. the playoff format) – an elite QB and a dominating D-line. These are the only elements that are worth emulating from the Giants. But I think it’s wrong to say, “Well, the Giants really don’t have an elite offensive line (or Mike LB, or secondary, etc), and they just won the SB, so hey, we don’t need to improve those areas, because, the Giants just showed us that a team can win a SB without great personnel at those positions.” This is not sound logic. If a team has a glaring weakness (like the Bengals at OG), it is unwise to not try to address that weakness as best as possible, based on the fact that the SB may have the exact team weakness. The article seems to imply that the Giants just proved that a team does not need a solid o-line to win a SB. The Giants no more proved this than Trent Dilfer proved you don’t need a better-than-good quarterback to win a SB. These are the exceptions that tend to prove the rule.
The NFL playoffs are all about match-ups. The Giants matched up well against all the teams they faced in the playoffs. However, had the Giants faced the Saints in the playoffs, we’d likely be singing a different tune. The Saints annihilated the Giants in Week 13, and beat them by 25 points. The much-revered Giants defensive-line had ZERO (0) sacks of Drew Brees in that game. Nicks, Evans, and Bushrod swallowed Tuck, Osi, JPP, Canty, Linval Jospeh, and the rest of the Giants defenders in that game (which, again, was only played two months ago!). Also, you speak of Nicks and Evans as not being able to Justin Smith’s loos and stunts, but the fact remains that if it were not for the Saints four turnovers, the Saints would have won that game, and they would have faced the Giants at home in the Superdome (where they, again, destroyed them by 25 points a month before and had allowed ZERO sacks to that vaunted Giants d-line) the next week. Moreover, I wouldn’t quite characterize Nicks and Evans’ as not being able to “handle Justin Smith’s loops and stunts”. Smith had three tackles and one sack (and other pressures and knock downs), but the Saints offense still put up 32 points, ON THE ROAD, against that defense, and had it not been for the 4 Saint’s turnovers (which were NOT due to lack of Guard play), the Saints likely win that game, and then face the Giants the next week in the NFC Championship game. In looking at Brees’ INTs that game, he was not necessarily under pressure when he made those throws (especially the Goldson INT, where Brees had an eternity to throw on that play and just made a poor throw). On the TD tosses to Graham and Colston, Nicks handles Justin Smith just fine.
The Giants-Saints film from Week 13 shows how dominant the Saints oline (and Nicks) was against the current SB Campions. It is the Saints that offer the blueprint on how to beat the current SB Champion Giants – i.e. the Saints o-line utterly dominated the Giants’ dfensive line in that game – zero sacks! Moreover, I recall from this past SB, that a 35-year old perennial pro bowl OG – Brain Waters – was continuously shutting down the Giants’ most feared pass rusher , JPP. JPP was a total non-factor in the SuperBowl on Sunday, in large part due to a top-notch OG. Also, with regard to Grubbs, if we are simply going to look at one game that Grubbs struggled in against the Patriots (you mentioned this past AFC Championship game), let’s go back at look at the 2009 Wildcard playoff game played in NE, in which Baltimore played against a much better Patriots defense, in general, and defensive line, in particular. The Ravens won that game handily, in large part to Ray Rice’s 80-yard TD run on the first offensive snap of the game. Ben Grubbs made that play possible. He sealed the 5-technique d-end (i.e. the 3-4 DE), and easily got the the second level of the defense where he completely took Pro Bowl LB Jerod Meyo out of the play with a terrific block, thus springing Rice for his 80 yard run. Watch tape of that game to see how Grubbs played rather well against a much better defense (or simply You Tube a replay of the Rice 80-yard run and focus on LG Ben Grubbs).
The bottom line is that although the NFL is a copy-cat league, attempting to follow suit can have its shortcomings. I agree with the title of this article, which essentially says that that the Bengals should be inspired by the fact that the Giants (i.e. a team with some very obvious flaws) can win a SB. However, it is wrong to simply look at the Giants flaws (i.e. no real strong o-linemen wit hthe exception of Snee), and surmise that the Bengals really don’t have to go after a dominating OG because the Giants don’t have them on their team. The Giants do NOT have to face Haloti Ngata 2x per season (or Phil Taylor. or the Steelers defensive front 7). While the Giants do face Pro Bowl DT Jay Ratliff of the Cowboys 2x a year, they also face the Eagles who have a horrendous d-line, and the the Redskins, whose strength of the d-line is the edge (with Orakpo and Kerrigan), and not the interior part of the d-line. Therefore, if Nicks and Grubbs are available, attempting to sign them would be wise (again, look at what they did against the very same Giants d-line and team). The defending SB Champion’s weaknesses should not be used as a reason to avoid at least trying to improve obvious areas of weakness on a team. In fact, the Giants’ Front Office would probably be the first to admit that their team needs improvement in certain key areas if they aspire to have a realistic chance to repeat.
Again, it is equally important to realize that the NFL playoff format really boils down to how teams match-up against one another in a one game, do-or die scenario. Week 13 showed that the current SB champions matched-up rather poorly against the Saints, and if this matchup would have occurred again in the playoffs, teams would be wanting to emulate the Saints formula of having a dominant O-line (with two dominanting guards). The tape of this year’s Giants-Saints game reveals how truly dominant Nicks and Evans are.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 7, 2012 1:54 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Hahaha - apologies for the length of that comment
Thanks for the compliment, though!
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 7, 2012 5:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You missed some of the bigger points I was trying to make
I appreciate your comments and analysis. They’re usually spot-on. But here were the main points in the article I wanted to stress.
1) You can win a SB or go deep into the playoffs with unfilled holes or weak areas on your roster.
2) As long as you have a dynamic passing attack and a relentless pass rush, you’ll be successful.
3) The Bengals and Giants are built very similarly built and if the Bengals wanted to emulate their success, they’d need to add to their WR corps and rushing attack. Other deficiencies are similar between the teams.
4) The point on the Guards and their play was about how pass rushers trump guards in today’s NFL. Defenses are using 4 DEs to rush the QB and Guards can’t handle it. If I were to spend money or a high draft pick, it would be on a pass rusher instead of a guard.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 2:50 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
I agree wholeheartedly with your first 3 points, but somewhat disagree with the very last one
The Saints game against the Giants showed that a great passing game and dominant O-line can completely shut down even the best D-line. Moreover, at least in terms of quality guard play, one could say that of the 4 teams to reach the conference championship games, 3 of those teams had at least one elite OG (Ravens have Yanda and Grubbs; Patriots had Mankins and Waters; SF has Iupati). This obviously doesn’t even include the Saints, whose two guards have served to anchor a dominant O-line to help Drew Brees.
To the first point, I couldn’t agree more! You can have glaring weaknesses, and still win a SB. However, o wouldn’t use the Giants SB victory as evidence to proclaim that good guards aren’t needed. In fact, I think we are seeing more teams emphasizing guards (look at 3 of the final 4 teams), and I think Jay Gruden even mentioned the importance of good guards in an offense (I will try to find the quote).
I guess the thing I took away from the playoffs this year is that in the NFL playoffs, anything can happen, and even luck can play a part. Patriots got lucky Cundiff missed, Giants got lucky that Gronk was, at best, 35% for the SB, Giants lucky to commit 3 fumbles yet not have a single turnover, etc.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 7, 2012 3:35 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
You’re getting hung up on the Guards point. It was only 1 of maybe 10 comparisons I made. But in the fun of a good debate, i’ll counter your “Elite guards in the championship games plus Saints” argument with….
Giants, Patriots, Steelers, Packers, Colts, Saints, Cardinals, Steelers. These are your last 8 Super Bowl teams. Only one had good-elite Guard play. Mankins and Snee are solid. None had “Complete” offensive lines. Again, the Saints were the closest. But the Colts, Steelers, Giants, Cardinals and Packers weren’t sporting great offensive lines. The Pats, Colts and Saints have HoF Quarterbacks. Even the Steelers, Cardinals, Packers and Giants could have HoF QBs when it’s-all-said-and-done. Which obviously help their OL tremendously. Still, these were a bunch of teams with poor-average OL.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 7, 2012 4:06 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
Good stuff
Especially looking at the past 8 SB champions. As you said in the article, QB is most important, and Dalton is actually better at this point in his career than Eli was (as you also correctly pointed out). I think A.D. even had three fewer INTS than Eli has this year (and Eli is an 8 year vet). Gotta have the QB, and I have supreme faith in A.D.
by The_Black_Stripes on Feb 7, 2012 4:59 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i think thats the name of the game: next man up
its safe to say, with todays NFL, there are no complete teams. Every team has a hole or weakness that needs to be address.
The better teams don’t necessarly have the better players but its the team that makes the less mistakes or turn overs and who has been better prepared during the week that usually wins the game.
The Super Bowl could have went either way, in fact, the giants probably shouldn’t have made the playoffs. But I agree with the black stripes, in the fact that the bengals can draw inspiration because the giants twice won the superbowl while barely making the playoffs.
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