We need to be realistic about "mocking" our drafts. Trent Richardson and OG DeCastro will not be there at 17........with that in mind. MY MOCK DRAFT.
by lightskin350 on Feb 8, 2012 12:02 AM EST
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Print1st rd (17) Janoris Jenkins 5'10 180: Lewis and Zimmer both like bigger CB but with Mike Wallace and Torre Smith and others in the division the Bengals need a corner with good speed who can flip his hips. Jenkins was hands down the best CB at the Senior Bowl. Jenkins has top 10 talent but with his dismissal at Florida this will cause him to drop but the Bengals will gladly take him because they are still hurting from the Joseph departure.
1st rd (21) Cordy Glenn 6'5 350: Simply put Glenn is a monster of a man with excellent feet for a man his size. While he played LT in the SEC he will kick inside on the next level and will start for someone day1. Glenn is not on the level of DeCastro but he is a great run blocker and will fix the Bengals LG position because we all know that Nate Livings had no reason starting for us last year. There are other OG in the draft the Bengals can go with here like Kevin Zeittler from Wisconsin who was a 1st team all- american but Mike Brown likes big offensive lineman and Cordy Glenn fits the bill to a tee.
2nd round Vontaze Burfict 6'3 250: Cincy clearly has bigger holes to fill but if Burfict is here and he should be he will be to hard to pass up. Last year Cincy had 3 LB who were high draft picks on IR. ( Rivers, Moch and Muckelroy who I really liked coming out of Texas.) Burfict is a downhill thumper who played MLB at Arizona ST but can play either the SAM or WILL for the Bengals should they decide to cut Rivers who has not played like a top 10 pick should. What Burfict does is give the defense security in case injuries hit the LB corp again in 2012.
3rd rd pick LaMichael James 5'10 195: James is not the bell cow the Bengals need to get back to smash mouth football they want to get back too. What he offers is explosive plays that Scott has not offered the past two seasons. James can even return punts and kicks should the Bengals decide to part ways with Tate who made some crucial mistakes in the latter part of the seasons.
4th rd Chris Givens 6'0 195: I know some of you are saying " who in the hell is this Givens kid" . Givens was a 1st team all ACC performer last year who has suprising speed with excellent hands. Givens is expected to run in the high 4.4 range and he can look for his draft stock to increase once the Combine and pro days begin.
5th rd Jonas Gray 5'10 230: Gray first 3 years at Notre Dame was simply put.......HORRIBLE. But Gray's last year Brian Kelly demanded more from the talented senior and he got it. Gray ripped his ACL late in the season and will not play in 2012 for anyone who drafts him but the Bengals would be smart to draft this kid and stick him on the PS becayse he could have a Frank Gore like rise once he is healthy.
The last two rounds are hit miss with these kids and no one knows if they will strike gold or if the prospect get's cut from training camp before the season even begins. Marvin Lewis can not be happy with Kevin Huber production last year. He was the 30th ranked punter in the NFL and the Bengals need better because Huber has a monster leg but is not very consistent. The top 3 punters in this draft are Bryan Anger from Cal who I really love and I think could beat Huber should the Bengals decide to open the position up. The other two are Drew Butler from Georgia and Shawn Powell who looks like a LB at 6'4 250 lbs.
Just my thoughts and I am looking for some positive and negative feedback on what everyone thinks about mu mock......................GO BENGALS!
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No Way
They will not need a running back by the 3rd round. I’m positive they will have already taken one earlier this draft. Like lamar Miller or David Wilson
I am thinking that the Bengals will go after a RB during FA.
Cincinnati had alot of interest in Michael Bush when he came into the league and they will have the most cap space in the entire league.
No way Oakland pays Bush 5-8 million a year when they D Mcfadden.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
I think get both a FA RB and a draft pick RB.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Where did you get your Huber stat?
If PFF or FO ranked him 30th, then that’s a shame, but I don’t think he’s that bad.
From the numbers alone, Huber is solid – not great, not terrible. Regular season stats are as follows:
Average yards per punt – 23rd (44.2)
Net average yards per punt – 14th (39.2)
Number of punts landing inside the opponents 20 yard line – 14th (24)
In addition, he was pretty busy, having the 5th most punts (91).
I’ll admit that punting is weird, considering that a punter’s stats are affected by where the offence stalls – an offence that stalls at the 50 means the punter can’t punt more than 50 yards, whereas an offence that stalls on it’s own 5 yard line means the punter has more space.
Either way, I’m not sure that Huber is a big problem, certainly not big enough to address punter in the draft this year.
Aether, I lcan't find the website again. I just spent 30 minutes looking for it...lol
The site took everything in the formula it used. They took of course his average, touch backs, punt returns, fair catches, punts inside the red zone, If the opposing offense scored after the punt, if Cincy’s defense forced a punt or a 3 and out.
It was even more but he was ranked 30th while Shane Lechler from Oakland was number1. I agree with you that Huber had a ok season but he is way too inconsistent. It’s worth the gamble this year because Cincy will have extra picks in the 5th and 6th round this year.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
You have a point about the extra picks.
That makes it slightly more reasonable, but I personally would still look to address other positions. They might not make the roster, I know, but the more picks you take, the more likely you are to find a “diamond in the rough”. Heck, I’d even take a quartz in the rough.
Interesting...
i really liked your in depth analysis. i would be a fan of drafting Lamichael James too but maybe if he’s available in the 4th round. we need to pick up a stud RB in the 2nd to 3rd round though.
No way he is there in the 4th, I am not sure if he will be there in the 3rd when we come up.
James ranks right up there with CJ Spiller and Jahvid Best and they were both 1st round picks. Don’t forget that James almost one the Heisman 2 years ago.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Jonas Gray shouldn’t be drafted. PFA in my opinion.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 8, 2012 7:15 AM EST via Android app reply actions
Joe it's clear that you have not watched him play this year.
Gray is a powerful runner who is a downhill runner with suprising speed. Look at the careers of Michael Bush and Frank Gore who both had significant injuries coming into the league. Gray is worth the gamble because you can stash him on the practice squad for a year and if he bounces back you have a steal and if not you cut him. How many players drafted by the Bengals in rounds 5-7 in the past 3 drafts are on their roster. You can probably count them on your hands. Someone will draft Gray, I would bet anything. Listen to Mike Mayock who loves Gray’s potential.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Hey, I’ve graded 30 RBs so far. Gray, because of injury is #26. He’d provably be around 12-18 if he was 100% healthy. I say he shouldn’t be drafted because I don’t see more than 20 RBs getting drafted.
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by Joe Goodberry on Feb 11, 2012 3:04 PM EST via Android app up reply actions
sadly DeCastro probably won't be there, but Richardson could be
RB’s keep getting drafted later & later, and only a few teams above Cincy need a RB
I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!
I just did a google search for Professional Mocks
CBS and NFL.com, plus couple of others. 4 of 5 mocks checked had one or the other falling to us. twice I saw Richardson fall to us (and be taken) and twice DeCastro (they also had us take DeCastro).
The only peopel I accept that it is not possible to fall to us are Luck, Griffen, Blackmon, Claiborne, Kalil, and Reilley.
I can understand that most fans rank DeCastro and Richardson 1-2 on our draft boards, so discussing them is not interesting to discuss taking them, they are no brainer picks (like Gresham was), but there remains a solid probability that either Richardson or DeCastro will fall to us. It is the nature of the draft.
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Jim, you are judging him against players like Ryan Matthews and Mark Ingram who are nothing like Richardson.
You need to compare Richardson to Peterson because that is who he runs like. I have watched everyone of his games over the past 2 seasons and this guy never gets tackled by one player. Richardson is not as fast as AP but he has better hands and is a better blocker. AP went number 7 overall if I remember right. There is no way he gets past Miami or Seattle and you can even through in Kansas City.
As far as DeCastro I agree that he could possibly slide to 17 but the chance of that happening is slim to none. Teams like Dallas and Arizona will jump on him if he’s there. He is the best OG to come into the draft in a while.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
I'd like to see your full mock
Where did you have Decastro and Richardson going? If they get picked, what players slid?
I have not put a full mock together yet but
I have Richardson going to Kansas City and DeCastro going to the Dallas. The only way he slides to us is if Jerry Jones falls in love with Janoris Jenkins or Dre Kirkpatrick.
The Cowboys two biggest needs are OG and CB.
I am putting together my mock draft as we speak.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
DeCastro might very well be there........
I think Richardson goes before us at #17, but with DeCastro being a G and several other teams in front of us needing help elsewhere and with this draft being very deep at the O line position, it might very well happen.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 8, 2012 9:09 AM EST reply actions
Only 8 guards have been drafted in the 1st round in the last 12 years
None higher than 15th.
He would almost have to be the best guard prospect ever to not be there. Maybe he is, but this is a deep draft in a lot of areas and I personally think it’s better than 50/50 that he is still there.
I’m not sure that the Bengals take him if he is there ; they have never drafted a guard in the first round.
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Agreed, but I think if he is there then we have to take him.
That would be taking essentially the BPA and one of our greatest needs with one pick. I agree, it’s tough to justify a G that high, but he is supposed to be a starter from day 1.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 8, 2012 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
What does that have to do with the 2012 draft.
DeCastro is the consensus #1 OG in the draft. He is being compared to Hutchinson coming out. I would take DeCastro over his teammate J. Martin OT who being mocked in the top10 by everyone. DeCastro paved the way for Stanford’s run game.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
He might be the best guard ever
Teams just don’t seem to think the difference between a great guard and a good guard is worth a high draft pick. Really all guards do is get it the way of somebody. Being great at it doesn’t matter most of the time.
I can only go by my own observations and guards don’t win championships. Hutchinson has spent his career blocking for Alexander and Peterson. They have a lot of yards but no rings.
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And there is the Mike Brown factor:
On multiple occasions, Mike Brown has expressly stated — or implied by the team’s actions — that he does not believe that the interior offensive line is worthy of top draft selections. Consistently, our interior offensive line is composed of late-round picks and undrafted free agents.
And this is unfortunate, given the team’s desire to rely on a power run game against the rock-solid defensive lines of the AFC North. It is tough to block Haloti Ngata with cut-rate players.
Agreed, but after this season am hoping that viewpoint changes.
Watching Nate Livings out there should help us consider DeCastro as a must have if he’s there. If that doesn’t do it, then obviously we truly don’t value the interior of the line at all. I don’t think we’ll sign a G via FA, but hope we can draft the top G through the draft. Our line is close to being a good, WCO offense line.
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by The Van Buren Boys on Feb 12, 2012 1:38 PM EST up reply actions
LaMichael James
will be a bust. I loved watching him play at Oregon but I just don’t see his game translating to the NFL. I’d much rather see Doug Martin or David Wilson in the second.
As for the first round, There’s no way DeCastro makes it past Dallas or Arizona =(
Richardson however is a tricky one. With so much devaluation of the position, a lot of teams are going to be hesitant to spend their one and only first round pick on him. If he makes it past the Bucs, he’s gonna freefall until a team decides BPA > Need. That could be the Chiefs, that could be the Seahawks, or maybe even the Jets at 16. I’m still hopeful that he can make it all the way down to 17, but I think we have to approach the draft as if he won’t (Which you did).
Thumbs up on Jenkins. Thumbs up on Glenn. I’d be perfectly happy with that considering DeCastro is off the board.
It’s tough to mock 2nd round on at this point because so much of that could change between now and April with the combine, pro days, and workouts, so can’t really make any criticisms outside of what I previously stated regarding James.
what if
Arizona goes wide reciever, or lt. Both positions they could go with kendall wright or mike Adams. And Dallas goes kirpatrick, or Barron, or Jenkins, could easily happen.
by JCompton41 on Feb 8, 2012 3:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Matt, I don't know what LaMichael James you have been watching but this kid is just as good as Reggie Bush and Darren Sproles. Look at the impact that Sproles had on the Saints offense and special teams.
I am not saying that he will be a starter for anyone, that is not what his role would be for any team that is lucky enough to get him. He is better than Bernard Scott who has not done anything in two years. Cincinnati needs players that can hit home runs because as of now we only have 1 in Green. Look at Pittsburgh who has a trio of weapons in the division, look at Baltimore with Ray Rice and Torre Smith who can all make explosive plays at anytime and right now we lack play makers.
I think that Burfict will be a 2nd round selection because everyone has him as the 5th best LB. I love Rey when we got him and I know that he played hurt in the latter part of the season but coverage wise he is horrible and I think that you know that. Look at the Playoff game where he over ran the RB’s for the Texans giving them massive plays. You can’t have that in your mike LB. Vontaze Burfict hits with bad intentions and at 250 lbs he is way better in coverage than Rey coming out of U$C.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Don't get me wrong
I love LaMichael James. I think he was a fantastic college RB, one of my favorite college players this past season. I’m just not 100% convinced that he will be successful in the NFL. I’m rooting for him to be great, (as I am Kellen Moore, but that’s a different story) but I’m a little weary of spending a 1 2 or 3 on him. I would agree that he would be an upgrade over Scott as a #2 RB, but then who is our #1?
I'd like to have a Darren Sproles guy on the team.
We could use a guy like James…only if we could get him in the 3rd round.
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Alameda Ta'Amu-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
We don't need another LB
We have more than you can shake a stick at so I’m thinking they pass on the LB and take a RB in the 2nd. That’s where a lot of the top RB’s are predicted to go and we’ll be right in the mix.
by Bigcatdaddy on Feb 8, 2012 10:04 AM EST via Android app reply actions
i would take a stud linebacker in the first
Depending on who’s there of course, but we still have no stud linebacker. I’m not sure anyone in the draft is that either though.
by JCompton41 on Feb 8, 2012 3:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Luke Kuechly is a stud linebacker.
Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.
Cat, who do we have. Our best LB last year was Thomas Howard.
Moch, Rivers and Muckelroy are all coming back off IR. Rivers has not done anything for us since drafted. He had a good rookie season before he got hurt but he could be released before the season. He is due 4million + this season. Manny Lawson was excellent against the run but was suspect versus the pass and he is free agent that I will be suprised if he is signed back. I agree that LB is not a hole but can you really afford to pass on the talent of Burfict if he is there.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Im Sorry
But this is the NFL anything can happen, That what they said about Aaron Rodgers and he fell all the way to #24 i think to the Packers
If DeCastro isn't there..
Then we have to look at taking either Cordy Glenn OR Kevin Zeitler…We can’t afford to miss out on a guard by waiting till the 2nd… so we have to take one in the 1st…& i like Burfict because he’s a big hitter and very physical, but he sometimes get’s lost and lacks awarness..but i think he’d be an upgrade over Maualuga.
First
I have mentioned on other posts that I think their is a good chance DeCastro and Richardson are both there when we draft. 2 things to consider. If the Bengals get a guard in fa, even if DeCastro is there they wont draft him,imo.
by EPK1979 on Feb 8, 2012 2:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
2. If DeCastro is off the board, no need to reach for a guard in the first. After DeCastro, there isnt much difference in the 2nd rated guard,Glenn and the rest. This draft is deep with guards, so after DeCastro a first rounder on a guard would be stupid.
by EPK1979 on Feb 8, 2012 2:13 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
i cant remember the name other than amini
From northwestern. Or the guy from Miami Ohio. Don’t have my draft notes in front of me and am drawing blanks for names right now.
by JCompton41 on Feb 8, 2012 3:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Kelechi Osemele, Lucas Nix
And there are several tackles that could be converted to guards as well
Once you get past the first 4 or 5 OG, it get's real iffy with the rest of the class.
You have Brandon Washington from Miami who is 6’4 320lbs who has good potential. The guys over at CBS Sports has him rated 3rd behind DeCastro and Glenn but I don’t know what they are smoking.
There is also Ryan Miller from Colorado 6’7 325 who is built like Nate Solder who the Pats selected in the 1st round, He is an outstanding pass protector but he is very soft in run blocking.
Kenneth Lewis Moore
Yeah CBS isn't to reliable imo..walterfootball.com is better.
Go to google & type in walter football 2012 prospects….i went off what they said last year & they were pretty accurate of where players will go in each round.
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Alameda Ta'Amu-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
Osemele sucked at tackle
But i’m not sure how well he’d do at guard, he’s got good size though..& i’m not a huge fan of Lucas Nix…We don’t want to draft a mediocre guy in the later round..we need to take a guy in the 1st…the only guy i’d take in the 2nd would be zeitler if he fell there, but i think Glenn will go late 1st or early 2nd…We should use a pick on him, he’s better than Livings that’s all i got to say.
Everyone is better than Livings.
Boling will probably start at left instead of Livings. Plus who says that if we don’t get a guard in the first we have to grab a “mediocre” one? Osemele or Zeitler or Nix will be available for our pick in the 2nd. Traditionally guards don’t go in the first round and there is a LOT of day one starter talent at guard that can be had in the second. One of them will be available for us there if that’s what we choose to do. Outside of DeCastro I don’t think we should and am almost positive that we won’t take a guard in the first round. Not when its such a deep draft class at guard.
i can see them drafting glenn at 21.
Don’t like it but a big possibility.
by JCompton41 on Feb 8, 2012 8:26 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Glenn is pretty dominate
He’s huge & has long arms. He stands his ground and man handles his guy most of the time.
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Alameda Ta'Amu-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
top guards
I’ve looked at all the highlights of every guard that i could find..
1. David DeCastro (1st Round)
2. Cordy Glenn (1st Round)
3. Kevin Zeitler (2nd Round)
4. Peter Konz (1st Round)
5. Amini Silatolu (2nd Round)
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Alameda Ta'Amu-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
The only thing unrealistic
is not looking at all possibilities, no matter how slim.
by Oregonbengalsfan on Feb 8, 2012 7:46 PM EST reply actions
Charlie Campbell's (other guy at Walterfootball) new mock rocks for us!
1A: DeCastro, G
1B: Kirkpatrick, CB
2: Lamar Miller, RB (even if he’s gone he has Martin and Wilson still available)
3: Brandon Taylor, S
4: Travian Robertson, DE/DT
Good looking mock for us! Would be super excited if it worked out that way, or even if we get Martin instead of Miller. Let’s see how many comments we get about how unrealistic this mock is!
Just for anyone interested Isaiah Pead goes in the 4th round to the Cowboys in that mock.
Thats how our draft should go
I would be pleased but i’d rather see us get a DT in round 2..but i’d be ok with RB Martin…& we should draft a WR in round 3 or 4 though..
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Cordy Glenn-OG
2nd RD-Alameda Ta'Amu-DT
3rd RD-LaMicheal James-RB
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
Draft
I did my latest mock draft post Senior Bowl and my first three rounds ented up like this for the Bengals.
1st- (a) CB-J.Jenkins N.Alabama (b) C/G-P.Konz Wisconsin
2nd-RB-D.Martin Boise State
3rd- S-M.Martin Oklahoma State or LB-V.Burfict Arizona State
I don’t think we take Cordy Glenn in the first round with his weight problems and poor technique at times. There won’t be any other linemen worth taking other than Konz to help our interior line. I like D. Martin’s overall ability at RB and S M.Martin is a big need for us at safety but I had a hard time deciding between S/LB/DT in the third since there were some nice options with this pick. Any suggestions what direction we go in the third?
Janoris Jenkins isn’t worthy of a 1st…i like Doug Martin though..but Markelle Martin will be an average/ under average player at best.
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Mark Barron-SS
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
FA:
OG-Carl Nicks
RB-Micheal Bush
RB's id take..
Trent Richardson-1st round
Doug Martin-2nd round
LaMicheal James-3rd round
1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Mark Barron-SS
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR
FA:
OG-Carl Nicks
RB-Micheal Bush
I agree with the positions being drafted, but...
I do not agree with the players getting drafted in the first three rounds.
I’d like to get away from problem children, so draft Gilmore.
Glenn is not someone I would draft until the 2nd round, like Konz better.
Burfict I can live with but not sure he will be around.
James is a product of his system, and we would need to draft or get a RB in FA to carry the load. James will not be able to carry the load. I’m ok with it if we draft him in 4th or later and have get a back like Martin in the 2nd.
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