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WHAT TO DRAFT IN ROUND 1 – A PRIMER

I took a look at the 2012 ProBowl rosters (starters, backups & alternates) since that is a good collection, more or less, of who the best players are in the NFL.

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Then I looked up what rounds each of these players were drafted in.

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Then I compared the Positions vs. the Rounds to determine what success each position has by round.

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The primary objective of this exercise is with Cincy having 2 first round picks....what does it make sense to take in round 1?

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Position, and % of pro-bowlers from this position drafted in round 1:

Oh, I eliminated FB because they were both UFA’s, and I didn’t want to put them as RB because the RB #’s were already low enough.

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LB...77% (so 77% of the “elite” LB’s are taken in the 1st round)

QB...75%

OT...71%

CB...71%

DT...63%

DE...56%

OL...46% (OG + C)

WR...40%

TE...40%

RB...33%

S...33% (so only 33% of the elite Safeties are taken in round 1)

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* I was surprised that LB is the most successful position from round 1 in that 77% of all the “elite” LB’s came from the first round. Maybe Keith Rivers didn’t get the memo?

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* LB, QB, OT, CB were all above the 70% threshold, which seems to imply that if you want a stud at one of these positions, your best bet is to take one in round 1. The Bengals need a CB in 2012, so it makes sense to take one in round 1 (as opposed to waiting).

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* To all the Mark Barron lovers, it appears that only 33% of the “elite” safeties are coming from round 1. Meaning that you’re twice as likely to find a stud safety after round 1 than you are in round 1.

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* I found it interesting that only 33% of the best RB’s were taken in round 1. What made it more interesting is the DeCastro vs. Richardson debate in that an equal or higher # of RB’s are taken over interior o-linemen in round 1, but the RB’s only have a 33% representation in the pro-bowl, while the o-linement have a 46% representation, indicating that a round 1 drafted interior lineman is much more likely to pan out to be a stud whereas a round 1 RB is more of a risk.

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Looking at round 2 representation at the pro-bowl:

RB...45%

S...33%

WR...20%

TE...20%

CB...15%

QB...13%

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So my conclusion is that (generally) if the Bengals are looking for a safety or running back, they are better off waiting until round 2 (or later), as the round 1 success rates of those positions in round 1 isn’t very good. But if they are looking for a corner, linebacker, o-lineman or d-lineman, they are better off taking that player in round 1, as those have a higher chance of being elite.



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Great breakdown

I would bring up a point about the running backs. To me it would seem that the running back position seems to change a lot, as far as who goes to the pro bowl. It kind of makes those numbers fluctuate from year to year.

by EPK1979 on Feb 9, 2012 12:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

But with that even being said

It goes to show you it can be easy to find a running back, in the first 4 rounds, that can produce as long as you have a good line in front of them. For the most part, all the pro bowl players had great lineman in front of them. Pro Bowler’s themselves

by EPK1979 on Feb 9, 2012 12:22 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Great Job

Thats a very insightful breakdown and post.

by EPK1979 on Feb 9, 2012 12:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Nice post

I have been giving thought to a similar post, not involving ProBowl, but I think your idea has more merit than my idea.

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by jim0ijk on Feb 9, 2012 4:25 PM EST reply actions  

Good Stuff!

You should do it for more than one season. It the numbers stay in the same range over a couple years, you’re really on to something. Good work!

by DonMegga on Feb 9, 2012 9:33 PM EST reply actions   1 recs

I agree...

It would be a lot of work but a break down of the last 10 years of the pro bowl would be interesting and also I personally think the A.P. All Pro Team is a better indicator of elite players than the Pro Bowl… However you’re right in the idea that generally speaking the Pro Bowl is a good measuring stick for who’s elite and who’s not… But taking the A.P. Pro All Pro Teams of the last 10 years and using this philosophy to break them down would be an excellent read…

by JamesShively on Feb 10, 2012 5:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Mark Barron would be a good pick in round 1, but any other safety wouldn't be.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Mark Barron-SS
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
OG-Carl Nicks
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 9, 2012 9:41 PM EST reply actions  

+1

such a weak class any SS taken during mid rounds would be a wasted pick none of them would start in front of Mays anyway. Some real good ones next year. If we don’t take Barron I’d like to see one in 7th round if Kelcie McCray or Winston Guy are still on the board

by messjunk on Feb 10, 2012 6:02 AM EST up reply actions  

Yeah maybe Winston Guy

But nobody else.

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Mark Barron-SS
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
OG-Carl Nicks
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 10, 2012 3:33 PM EST up reply actions  

i really like markell martin

If he’s around later, around 3rd or 4th he’d be a great pick

by JCompton41 on Feb 11, 2012 11:29 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Hate to burst your bubble Ephram

But one year is such a small sample size.
Look at those stats for the last 6 years and
CB…68%
DT…66%
LB…57%
RB…53%
TE…52%
QB…48%
DE…47%
WR…46%
S……45%
T……41%
GC…37%

I know you’re just trying to support your obsessed argument that “thou shalt not draft a running back inthe first round” but this post was a pretty weak attempt.

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by Evil Monkey on Feb 10, 2012 10:19 AM EST reply actions  

This breakdown also shows that taking a guard or center in the first round isnt needed.

Both the RB and interior line percentages may be slightly deflated because there are simply fewer RBs and interior linemen taken in round 1. Tackle is kind of suprising, as lots of tackles are taken in round 1 and it is the second lowest group in this list.

by Luke on Feb 10, 2012 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

your obsessed argument

the funny thing is that i’m not actualy 100% anti-take RB in round 1.

My position is entirely on value, and i personally don’t see the value in a round 1 RB.

I’m not surprised to see the G/C % drop the farther back you go, because a decade ago people didn’t draft many G/C in round 1, so there were fewer of them selected in the probowl – because there just weren’t very many of them around….just like how you don’t have many probowl punters who were taken in round 1 – round 1 punters just don’t exist.

But if you compare the # of round 1 RB’s drafted vs. the # of round 1 RB’s in the probowl, and do the same thing for the G/C guys, i think you’ll see that the round 1 G/C’s have a better success rate of panning out than the RB’s.

i think in the nfl, after QB, i think that o-line is more important than RB, soi’d much rather strengthen up the more important positions than the less important ones. Therefore you won’t see me advocating a punter in round 1 – there is no value in it.

but everybody has their own opinion.

I hate it when Ephram uses data & facts to refute my unfounded opinions....No chocolate chip cookies for him!!!

by ephram on Feb 10, 2012 12:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Would you take Lechler or Janikowski in the 1st or 2nd?

Paul Brown Stadium, where everyone's hopes go to die.

by DTFCPDX on Feb 10, 2012 1:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Ephram, just bustin you balls on the RB thing

I happen to agree with you.

The Giants won the Super Bowl ranked dead last in rushing. Both yards per game or yards per carry.

Give me a back who can catch the ball out of the backfield and can pass block.

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by Evil Monkey on Feb 10, 2012 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

They also had one of the worst OLines in the league as well.

Dead last rushing attacks happen when your OLine is weak. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Giants draft nothing but linemen this year.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Feb 11, 2012 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Looking at the numbers, I think it is clear we need to go, if possible!

DeCastro at 17
KirkPatrick/Dennard at 21
Doug Martin at 53

Would be a great draft if you ask me

by Alexneyer on Feb 10, 2012 5:59 PM EST reply actions  

Please, im begging you...anybody but Dennard

1st RD-Dre Kirkpatrick-CB
1st RD-Mark Barron-SS
2nd RD-Brandon Thompson-DT
3rd RD-Amini Silatolu-OG
4th RD-Marvin Jones-WR
5th RD-Marquis Maze-KR

FA:
OG-Carl Nicks
RB-Micheal Bush

by Bengal4ever on Feb 10, 2012 10:22 PM EST reply actions  

Sigh.

Put the argument to bed, please. You can sit here and point out how drafting a RB in round 1 isn’t worth it, but you also need to realize that there is a back that actually will have significant value if he’s sitting there at 17. The only reason we should not draft Richardson if he’s there at 17 is if DeCastro is also sitting there.

You can talk about how much value other positions have over drafting a RB in Round 1. You realize that WR is sitting just above RB at 40% in terms of success, right? People used this same argument against Green last year. “Draft Peterson.” “Draft $Cam.” “Draft anyone but the shiny hood ornament.” When you have a player with that blend of skills and talent, a player who draws labels such as “Best since Peterson, Best since RunDMC,” that’s a back you take a chance on at 17. They tend to defy the averages and the statistics.

This isn’t to say I want Richardson. I actually would prefer DeCastro and then Kirkpatrick or maybe an LB at either position (thanks for putting MLB as a need, Rey), or some other mix of OG and CB. But I’m not going to deny that if he’s sitting there at 17 and DeCastro’s gone, he’s worth’s pulling the trigger. I’d take him. I’d take him in a heartbeat. Passing him up would be stupid.

"It’s time people started realizing just how good a player Carlos Dunlap already is, and that starts with the Bengals. They gave him a season-high 58 snaps and what was the result? Carnage on the right side of the Seattle line." -Pro Football Focus

by Doc Scratch on Feb 11, 2012 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

I have a feeling RB and WR is where we're splashing in FA.

I don’t think Drafting a RB in the early rounds will even be considered.

by JamesShively on Feb 11, 2012 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

come on man

This is a lot like Money Ball, playing the statistics and nothing else. Let me remind you that the A’s are average at best. If we followed this strategy last year we wouldn’t have grab Green or Dalton. Plus it hasn’t work out for us when we do follow it. (Andre Smith and Rivers) Bottom line is that if their is someone of need sitting there at 17 or 21 we should take them. I would love to see us take Richardson, DeCastro, or Kirkpatrick in that order.

by LindemanJr on Feb 12, 2012 3:27 AM EST reply actions  

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